The messages show that Zambelli spoke on behalf of Bolsonaro to avoid Moro’s resignation | National newspaper

The exchange of messages was included in the investigation investigating President Jair Bolsonaro’s alleged attempt to politically interfere with the Federal Police. These are conversations between the federal deputy Carla Zambelli, of the PSL, and then the minister Sergio Moro between March 28 and April 24, the date on which Moro left the government.

Although the parliamentarian said, in testimony, that she acted on her own initiative, the conversations reveal that she appeared at the request of the president.

Carla Zambelli came to spread some of these messages to the press, but edited excerpts and leaked what she wanted to spread. Jornal Nacional had full access to the talks.

On April 6, the deputy asked Moro to urgently receive the Secretary of Land Affairs, Nabhan García. The then minister asked about the meeting. She responds, “Confidential public relations problem.” PR means president.

Eleven days later, the deputy asks Moro about the Federal Police command and tries to convince him about the Mauricio Valeixo exchange.

Zambelli says: “Minister, as always, I will use 100% sincerity. Is Dr. Valeixo the right man to lead the FP? Erika Marena and Edu Mauat, FP delegates who worked in Lava Jato, always pointed out things about their attitudes in Lava Jato. A change now would be very welcome. There is a triple list … Erika would break there in DG … Lava Jato cases in Congress must go on. Please do something urgently. ”

In the sequence, Zambelli states: “Talk face to face with the RP and explain all this … please, minister. Ask him where he wants to help, open the communication ”.

At another time, Zambelli says that Bolsonaro did not trust the then general director of the PF: “Yesterday he (referring to Bolsonaro) told me that you were disarmament. I think he had fresh garlic (the deputy wanted to say “something” here) and he doesn’t trust Valeixo ”.

In another message, the deputy shows interest in an investigation carried out by the Federal Police on the mayor, Rodrigo Maia, with whom Bolsonaro had public disagreements, and asks: “Minister, is this PF’s investigation?”

On the vacation of April 21, the deputy says that she wants to bring Moro closer to the president and asks for a meeting between the then minister and Bolsonaro’s lawyer: “Minister, could you receive Karina Kufa, lawyer and public relations friend? We are trying to help you get closer to him. It is a fundamental piece ”.

On April 23, a day before Moro announced his resignation, the deputy called him, but the call was not answered. Then he begins to chat through messages, posing as a government intermediary with Moro. He even mentions in the conversation that, if they were right, Bolsonaro would guarantee Moro a vacancy as minister of the Federal Supreme Court.

This conversation was recently released to the press by the deputy, who omitted excerpts like this: “Bolsonaro will fall if you leave”, “I understand your frustration”, “For the love of God, let me help you”, “We will schedule tomorrow at 7 morning with PR there in Alvorada “and” We talk and he guarantees him a place in the STF this year “. And then he says, “And you must not create this crisis.”

The deputy insists. It is in this context that the conversation revealed by Jornal Nacional in April arises. Please Minister accept Ramage and go to STF in September. I promise to help, to make JB (JB in this case means Jair Bolsonaro) promise, “says Zambelli, to which Moro responds:” Dear, I am not for sale. ”

Ramage, is Alexandre Ramagem, appointed by the president of the general direction of the PF, but whose name was prohibited by the STF.

In another moment, the deputy takes the position of the president in the direction of the PF to Moro: “His place is STF. PR is also irreducible. He thinks that, constitutionally, he can indicate ”. And then he says: “The PR does not want you to leave.”

And, in this part of the conversation, Zambelli speaks on behalf of the president and presents a proposal to the then minister: “The RP proposed the following: since Valeixo asked to leave, he leaves his position vacant for a few days. They speak calmly, they know each other better, what was missing from the beginning of their mandate, and together they decide on a name ”.

In her statement to the Federal Police on Wednesday (13), Carla Zambelli was interrogated several times about the exchange of messages with Moro and, unlike what some messages show, the deputy said that she acted alone, without consent or command of the Palace from Planalto. She said she acted as an activist and supporter of the government.

The conversation with Moro continues and the deputy asks if Valeixo had resigned. Moro does not respond. She insists and repeats the question. This second interrogation and Moro’s response were not previously disclosed to the press by the deputy.

Zambelli: Can you answer me if Valeixo really resigned?

Moro: You didn’t quit.

Zambelli: If the president exonerates Valeixo, will he speak to see a name that suits both? In other words, does your stay depend on the permanence of Valeixo?

Moro: Carla, I will not address these problems in writing. The RP already has all the information.

Zambelli: All right. Sorry.

Zambelli: Minister, I spoke to Planalto. Take off this Friday and go home. On Sunday PR and Michelle invited you, Rosângela, Aginaldo and I to lunch. We will solve this to help Brazil. You are a pillar of support for this government.

Then the MP defends the name of Alexandre Ramagem, a friend of the Bolsonaro family: “Minister, try to compose with Ramage. Erika said that he is great. Who knows, could it be good? Please, people need you. There will be a great break without you in government. ”

Soon after, Zambelli calls Moro, who does not answer. He decides to go to the Ministry of Justice, half an hour before the announcement of the resignation and says that he is there at the request of Planalto: “I am here at MJ”. And then he says: “The plateau you asked for, but I’m not coming as a parliamentarian, but as your admirer.”

After much insistence from Zambelli, Moro talks about the possibility of the president annulling the decree. Zambelli responds: “I am going to talk to him.”

President Jair Bolsonaro said Thursday night (14), on a social network, that the deputy Carla Zambelli was not authorized to speak for him.

The deputy said she never spoke to Moro on behalf of President Bolsonaro. And that was very clear in his testimony. Carla Zambelli also said that she acted with the urgency of trying to avoid Sergio Moro’s departure.