Bolsonaro’s ministers must testify to the PF at the same time so as not to combine versions.



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BRASILIA – The investigation was opened to investigate the accusations of the former minister Sergio Moro of undue interference from the president Jair Bolsonaro The Federal Police will have a decisive week with the production of the main evidence necessary to clarify the facts, such as the testimonies of the witnesses and the obtaining of the video of a ministerial meeting in which Bolsonaro threatened to dismiss the then Minister of Justice if he was not according to the exchange of the superintendent of PF of Rio.

The testimony of the three ministers of the government’s military nucleus, scheduled for Tuesday afternoon, is one of the moments that most worries the Planalto Palace. The three testimonies will take place at the Planalto Palace at the same time, at 3 in the afternoon, simultaneously, as an investigative strategy to avoid the combination of versions between them.

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Augusto Heleno (Office of Institutional Security), Braga Netto (Casa Civil) and Luiz Eduardo Ramos (Secretary of Government) will be heard. Investigators from the Federal Police and the Office of the Attorney General (PGR) will participate in the statements.

The acts of the investigation carried out by the Attorney General Augusto Aras have caused irritation in Bolsonaro’s assistants. Minister Celso de Mello, when determining the testimonies of the military ministers under the prerogative that they could choose the day and time, recorded that, if they did not attend, they would be subject “like any citizen, regardless of the hierarchical degree they show within the scope of the Republic, to coercive conduction or ‘under a stick’ “, which also caused discomfort on the plateau.

Former Minister Sergio Moro, in his statement, cited these three ministers as witnesses to Bolsonaro’s attempts to interfere with the PF. According to Moro, Minister Augusto Heleno opposed the PF intelligence reports to which Bolsonaro wanted to have access. Moro also reported that he met with the three ministers on the eve of his resignation to report the notice received from the president that he would fire the then CEO PF Maurício Valeixo.

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Although the three ministers are not investigated in the case, their testimonies may have various legal implications. The assessment of the lawyers and criminal investigators heard in the report is that since ministers will be heard only as witnesses, and not as investigated, they have an obligation to speak and cannot remain silent.

Furthermore, if they provide information that subsequently does not prove to be true, they may also be prosecuted for the crime of false testimony. Since the PF should have in its possession a video of the ministerial council meeting in which Bolsonaro verbalized threats of interference with the PF, the veracity of his statements may be verifiable later.

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This week they will also be heard by PF delegates who may have knowledge of the facts, such as Alexandre Ramagem, who was the name chosen by Bolsonaro for the position of CEO of the corporation, but who was blocked by a decision of the Minister of the Federal Court. Supreme Alexandre de Moraes. Former director general Maurício Valeixo and former superintendent PF de Río Ricardo Saadi will also be heard. These testimonials are scheduled for Monday. On Wednesday, federal deputy Carla Zambelli (PSL-SP) should be heard, who exchanged messages with Sergio Moro about Valeixo’s resignation and a possible indication from him to the STF in exchange for that.

Evidence of interference

The investigation was opened at the request of Attorney General Augusto Aras to determine if there was a crime in Bolsonaro’s conduct or in Moro’s conduct, in relation to the accusations of undue interference in the Federal Police.

After gaining access to the former minister’s telephone conversations with the president, Federal Police experts analyze the most relevant sections that will be useful for investigations. In addition, the Federal Supreme Court should receive on Monday the video of the ministerial meeting in which, according to Moro, Bolsonaro threatened to fire him if he did not agree with the replacement of the FP superintendent in Rio. The existence of the video was revealed last week by GLOBO.

Now, investigators are looking for evidence of the existence of investigations in the PF Superintendency of Rio de Janeiro that directly affect Bolsonaro’s interests and justify an intervention in the agency. The assessment is that a crime by the president would only be characterized if his specific interest in an investigation is demonstrated.

Cell phone messages from former minister Sergio Moro have already shown that Bolsonaro expressed concern over the so-called fake news investigation, which is being processed under the report by minister Alexandre de Moraes. In the message revealed by “Jornal Nacional”, Bolsonaro sent Moro a news that the PF was investigating ten to twelve Bolsonar deputies in this investigation accompanied by the message “Another reason for the exchange”, a reference to the change in command of the PF.

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