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The President of the Republic, Jair Bolsonaro, repeated on Wednesday (13) that he did not pronounce the words “Federal Police” at the ministerial meeting on April 22, unlike what Minister Luiz Eduardo Ramos (Secretary of Government) said in a statement on Tuesday. fair (12).
The content of the meeting quoted by the president is analyzed in the investigation that is being processed in the Federal Supreme Court (STF) and investigates Bolsonaro’s alleged attempts to politically interfere with the Federal Police. Ramos testified this Tuesday as part of the investigation (see video below).
Generals Braga Netto, Augusto Heleno and Luiz Eduardo Ramos give testimony
“Ramos was wrong. But since it is a meeting, there is the video. Ramos, if he said that, he was wrong. If he said that, “Bolsonaro said Wednesday.
In Tuesday’s testimony, when questioned about the meeting, Ramos stated that: “Twice he heard the President of the Republic complain about the need for more intelligence for decision-making, and that, however, at the meeting on September 22, April, called Abin, the Armed Forces, the Federal Police, the Military Police of the states and, if others were mentioned, he does not remember him. ”
Although only Ramos was quoted on Wednesday by the president, the minister of the Office of Institutional Security (GSI), Augusto Heleno, He also stated in a statement that Bolsonaro spoke of “Federal Police” at the meeting.
In Wednesday’s interview, Bolsonaro said he did not mention the terms “Federal Police”, “superintendency” and “investigation of children” at the meeting.
According to the president, he spoke about family security, which is the responsibility of the Institutional Security Office (GSI) and not of the Ministry of Justice and Public Security, which was still chaired by Sergio Moro at the meeting. Bolsonaro also said he did not speak Moro’s name at the meeting.
“I didn’t say his name in the video (from Moro). I didn’t say his name on the video. There is no word Sergio Moro. I covered my personal safety in Rio de Janeiro. PF does not do my personal safety, GSI does, “he said. The Federal Police is part of the structure of the Ministry of Justice.
When asked if he suggested at the meeting that he would replace the Justice or GSI ministers, the President said: “He is in the face. Who does the security? The minister is Heleno. The minister is Hellenus ”. The president declined to detail whether he considered firing Heleno.
On Wednesday Bolsonaro said he decided to end the meetings of the council of ministers, such as the one held on April 22. These meetings generally take place every two weeks, with the presence of the president, ministers and other authorities.
According to the president, he will start having breakfast with the ministers once a month and will raise the national flag. Bolsonaro said that regardless of ending the meetings of the governing council, he receives some ministers every day and will continue with individual talks “to avoid this type of problem.”
“It will not be from the council, it will be a breakfast, from 8 a.m., individually, to address some problems, but a much more monthly meeting of all the ministers of an hour and a half maximum,” he explained.