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Hacker Walter Delgatti Neto stated, in an exclusive interview with CNN original series, that Operation Lava Jato was aimed at arresting the Supreme Court ministers Dias Toffoli and Gilmar Mendes.
“They wanted to. I don’t think so, they did. Including Gilmar Mendes and Dias Toffoli. They tried everything to get to Gilmar Mendes and Toffoli, they tried to say that Toffoli tried to renovate the apartment and wanted the OAS to denounce Toffoli.” , they broke Gilmar Mendes’ secret in Switzerland, his credit card, his bank account, they hated Gilmar Mendes, they spoke ill of Gilmar Mendes all the time ”.
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Delgatti became known as the hacker in Araraquara (SP), after revealing private conversations between prosecutors with former judge Sergio Moro, in the middle of last year. The exclusive interview for the show CNN original series was shown this Sunday (20).
Delgatti also said that, from the conversations of the Supreme Court ministers, it could be concluded that some of them wanted to help the operation.
“OR [ministro do STF Luís Roberto] Barroso, they had a close bond. Barroso and Deltan [Dallagnol, ex-procurador da Lava Jato] I talked a lot, (about) personal life. Even Barroso, in conversations, helped what to put in the work, what to say. A judge also helps in what a prosecutor should do. “
Conversations deleted
Delgatti reports that he accessed the cell phone number of four STF ministers. There were no messages in Alexandre de Moraes’.
“He erased everything. I also had access to his email, I even had his new book. I just downloaded the book to read it, but … I had email conversations, but it was between them [ministros do STF]It was talking about the process, which had no interest. It was a formal conversation. I think it was even his advisor who sent the email, not him. As for Telegram, there was no conversation, he deleted them all ”.
The hacker also said that he accessed, in the same morning, the cell phones of President Jair Bolsonaro, Federal Deputy Eduardo Bolsonaro and Rio Councilor Carlos Bolsonaro.
He said he saw little there as they directed the conversations to a private chat.
Their conversations were deleted. They just said it was to go to the secret chat, because the secret chat. A person accessing your account cannot access the secret chat conversation. “
No payment for messages
The hacker said that no one paid for the captured messages.
“No, nobody paid. At first I even thought [em ganhar dinheiro com as mensagens], to be honest. But I began to understand what he was doing. Manuela [d’Ávila, ex-deputada federal]As soon as I started the conversation with her, she asked me: ‘What do you want for that? How bad do you want it? ‘I said I didn’t want anything in return and that I was going to send, and I just wanted justice. That’s when he gave me Glenn’s contact [Greenwald, jornalista americano fundador do site The Intercept, que divulgou trechos das conversas hackeadas]. ”
Delgatti says Glenn never offered money for messages.
He also says that he reached the journalist Gleen Greenwald through Manuela d’Ávila.
“I sent an audio of the conversation, which is the voice of a prosecutor saying irregular things. He heard that audio, that’s when he became interested. I remember that she did not respond. I sent the audio and went to breakfast. When I got back, I got 25 calls from her. Desperate.”
Famous hacked
After the first access, the hacker says that he was obsessed with accessing the messages all the time.
“At that time I was without sleep, I was excited about everything and I went blind, I began to see only that. I thought about it, I dreamed it, I woke up thinking about it, I did it, I went to class with my cell phone with Telegram connected, read conversations “.
He also reports having accessed personal mobile phones. “I remember that: Neymar, William Bonner, Ana Hickman, Luciana Giménez. Many I don’t remember now. “
The focus was not Lava Jato
The hacker also claims that the focus of the hacking, at first, was never Lava Jato.
“I did not focus on Lava Jato. If I had, I would have done it sooner. Lava Jato would be the last place I thought I’d find irregularities. I thought, ‘Here it is, but Lava Jato won’t take it!’
After accessing the investigators’ cell phones, he explains his frustration: “When I had access, I ended up disappointed, I saw that the crime was being committed between them.”
For Delgatti, the focus of the Lava Jato operation has always been former President Lula.
“The focus was Lula, but also the businessmen and other politicians, or Petrobras directors who were kept in prison until the person spoke. Example: Léo Pinheiro. They said: ‘If you send, make a statement and don’t talk about Lula, it won’t be accepted.’ They spoke like this. “
However, he denies political interest in disclosure. “At first, [tinha interesse político]. When I saw what they did to former President Lula, I saw that it was an injustice and I understood that they arrested him like me in Araraquara, I thought. Example: the fact that he stopped you does not exist. It was the same thing they did to me. “
Pressure to report
After his arrest, Delgatti details that he was under pressure to make a winning statement.
“They pressured me all the time. Since the first day. The deputy said: ‘Look, make a complaint, tell the truth, let’s clarify that I let you go.’ They hinted that the complaint, if he did so, would only be approved if it spoke of Glenn. Each time, they wanted me to talk about Glenn. “
Crisis of personal life
About his personal life, Delgatti says that he suffered a lot because he was abandoned by his mother.
“They [os pais] separated and I went to live with my maternal grandmother. This fight of who stays, who doesn’t stay, like a steering wheel, and she [a mãe] He ended up taking me into my grandmother’s house, at my grandmother’s door, with a suitcase and everything, with clothes, and I stayed there. I ended up staying there out of compassion. Over time and then, at 19, 20, going to psychologists and psychiatrists, they said that I moved a lot, my personality affected me a lot. I don’t talk to my mother, even today, I can’t talk to her. I see her and I run away. I panic and run away, I can’t see her, it would be like a gigantic enemy ”.
About his routine, he says that he takes medicine because he has panic attacks and attention deficit disorder.
“I start to read, I read a page, the second, on the third I forgot the first. With medication, I can solve this. I become very hyperactive, I cannot speak, I think much faster than I speak, I fall when I speak, I move my leg, my arm and I cannot stay still, there is all that.
