What is known and the doubts about the controversial ministerial meeting mentioned by Sergio Moro

The inter-ministerial meeting of April 22 is at the center of the accusations made by former Minister of Justice and Public Security Sergio Moro to the President of the Republic, Jair Bolsonaro (without party).

According to what was published in the Brazilian press throughout this Tuesday (05/12), people who saw a video recording of the meeting said that Bolsonaro appears at the meeting, saying that he would need to change the command of the Federal Police in Rio de Janeiro. January to prevent family members or friends from being harmed. Bolsonaro denies this version.

The video of the meeting was shown to some people related to Investigation 4831 of the Federal Supreme Court (STF) this Tuesday morning: the procedure investigates the statements of Sergio Moro against Bolsonaro when he left the government. The video was shown at the National Institute of Criminalistics (INC), in the Federal Police of Brasilia.

The ex-minister Moro, accompanied by his lawyer, saw the video; federal police officers involved in the investigation; people from the Attorney General’s team, Augusto Aras; and a judge who works with the reporter of the case at the STF, Celso de Mello. The Union’s attorney general, José Levi, was also in the PF. Everyone had to leave their cell phones out of the room.

According to the press, people who viewed the recording said the content is “devastating” to Bolsonaro.

According to the G1 news site, Bolsonaro said during the meeting that his family is being persecuted in Rio de Janeiro and that, therefore, it would be necessary to change the head of the Superintendency of PF in the state.

He does not directly quote the Federal Police: he uses the term “security in Rio”. And he says that if he could not make this exchange, he would change the general director of PF and the Minister of Justice and Public Security.

The description coincides with what Moro said in his statement to the PF. “The President declared that he would interfere in all the Ministries and as for the MJSP (Ministry of Justice and Public Security), if he could not change the superintendent of Rio de Janeiro, he would change the Director General and the Minister of Justice himself,” Moro said in the testimony. The April 22 meeting was the last one he attended: Moro resigned two days later, on April 24.

Investigators who saw the video of the meeting told the O Globo newspaper that Bolsonaro appears in the video saying that he had already tried to change “the security guard” in Rio, and that now he could finally replace him.

For these images of investigators from the meeting, Moro frowns, and the video makes it clear that Bolsonaro wanted to change occupants of key positions in the FP to obtain information on investigative procedures involving family members and others. nearby.

According to Moro, the video “confirmed” what he said in his statement.

“Access to the video of the ministerial meeting of 4/22 confirms the content of my statement regarding the interference with the Federal Police, which is why I left the government. I respectfully defend the dissemination of the video, preferably in its entirety, so that the facts are confirmed soon, “he told the O Estado de S. Paulo newspaper.

On Tuesday afternoon, Bolsonaro reacted to these reports about the April 22 meeting. The president said that the terms “Federal Police”, “investigation” and “superintendency” are not mentioned during the meeting.

“The media continue to misinform. This informant, this kidnapper is doing a bad service. There is no word in the video ‘Federal Police’ or ‘superintendency’ in the video,” Bolsonaro told reporters on the ramp of the Planalto Palace.

“My concern has always been after the stab, very specifically for the safety of me and my family,” he said of his alleged speech. “The Federal Police never investigated anyone in my family,” he said.

Bolsonaro also said the meeting had “a lot” and that the recording should have been destroyed.

“In a ministerial meeting, a lot comes out. Now, it won’t be published. The tape had to be destroyed, after using images for broadcast, to be destroyed. I don’t know why it wasn’t,” he said.

Attacks on STF ministers and examination of Covid

In addition to the FP superintendency, other topics were also discussed at the April 22 meeting. The meeting included criticism of STF ministers, governors, and mayors, and even a discussion of Bolsonaro’s test results for the new coronavirus.

According to O Globo columnist Bela Megale, sources who participated in the meeting reported that Bolsonaro was in a “bad mood” at the meeting. The president reportedly used the meeting to “scold” all his ministers, saying they could all resign.

On several occasions, Bolsonaro used swear words. Also according to the columnist, the meeting registered a heated discussion between the ministers Paulo Guedes (Economy) and Rogério Marinho (Regional Development).

At the meeting, Bolsonaro also reportedly said he would not reveal the “junk” from testing for the new coronavirus, which he did. According to the state of São Paulo, Bolsonaro is said to have said the test could lead to an impeachment process.

The “The Antagonist” website also quotes the term “horrible review” for ccovid-19. According to the website, Bolsonaro allegedly emphasized that he is the one who “commands the Armed Forces” and said he would use them if necessary, “to avoid a coup.”

Even during the meeting, the Minister of Education, Abraham Weintraub, reportedly said that the ministers of the Supreme Federal Court “had to go to jail,” according to O Estado de S. Paulo.

The Minister for Women, Family and Human Rights, Damares Alves, reportedly registered during the event in defense of the arrest of governors and mayors. During the meeting, Bolsonaro referred to São Paulo governor João Doria as “trash.” People in the Rio de Janeiro government would be “dung,” according to the president, according to O Estado de S. Paulo.

Will the video be made public?

The rapporteur of the case in the Supreme Court, Minister Celso de Mello, determined that the Federal Police transcribes all the content of the meeting and sends it to his office. The minister is working at home in São Paulo (SP), living in isolation because he belongs to the risk group for the new coronavirus.

Only after receiving the transcript will Celso de Mello decide on the confidentiality of the recording. Previously, the minister had already said he would decide “very soon” on the matter.

“I order the Federal Police (…) to proceed, through the Federal Criminal Expert, to eliminate the complete writing of the external hard drive (…) that was delivered to you today, filing in a post office box , in a secret (which will be punctual and temporary), which can be extracted from it, until my decision comes (in secret), “wrote the minister.

Throughout the afternoon, several politicians opposed to the government made requests to the STF to make the content of the recordings public. Petitions of this type were presented by Congressman Marcelo Freixo (PSOL-RJ) and Senator Randolfe Rodrigues (Rede-AP).

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