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S. Urbanavičius was invited to the last hearing in the political corruption case at the initiative of the lawyers representing the defendants.
They claimed that A. Guoga had previously told the media that in meetings with the head of the STT he had provided information or materials that may be related to the pre-trial investigation carried out at that time.
After receiving questions from the lawyers, S. Urbanavičius stated that he had many meetings with various politicians during his work, and some of them also spoke on the phone.
“Probably not one or two, but during certain weeks – and more, visits, meetings with certain politicians, ministers – there were really many. I couldn’t refuse and listen. It just came to my position as director of that institution, ”he said.
Topics – A.Guoga initiative
The former STT commander noted that he had met with A. Guoga two or three times, but stressed that he had never called the politician in person.
“I didn’t really organize any meeting, I didn’t invite Mr. Guoga to any meeting, it was his calls and wishes to come,” said S. Urbanačius.
He said that he did not remember the specific dates of the meetings or their circumstances, as he had a large number of meetings of this type in the performance of his duties and the information provided at the meetings themselves was not valuable.
When asked why the service did not respond to A.Guoga’s statements that it had sent materials related to the investigation to the police, S.Urbanavičius claimed that the investigators did not take the visits or the material presented seriously.
“A.Guoga’s visits were very moving on many issues and even, as you mentioned, if any comments arose after the meetings, knowing this personality, we simply do not take his information seriously,” the former STT commander replied to the lawyers.
Photo by Irmantas Gelūnas / 15min / Saulius Urbanavičius
“Probably, when speaking with A.Guoga, the range of those topics (…) if someone had to communicate so calmly, in two, there are many of these topics and practically all the topics – on his initiative. “He was probably listening and accepting the visit, because he is a member of the Seimas, a well-known politician, and belongs to the position of head of the STT,” he said.
A.Guoga worked at the Seimas from November 13 of last year until February 19 of this year, when he resigned as a member of parliament..
Currently, S. Urbanavičius, the head of the Records Center, claimed that due to his nearly three decades of service in law enforcement, he was able to assess what information is valuable and what is not.
According to him, the politician had not contributed any material relevant to the present case or to “other professional activities.”
“If anyone was involved in the case, they would be on the material now. Because I didn’t really keep any information to myself, I didn’t value the meeting alone, I passed it on to my colleagues all the time so they would know. If the conversation, in my eyes and with my experience, was judged empty or insignificant, I did not report, but they still knew about the visits, ”he said.
If anyone had anything to do with the case, it would be on the material now.
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Urbanavičius emphasized to defenders of politicians and businessmen accused of corruption that A.Guoga had not provided him with data media or recordings of conversations, nor did he inform him about the pressure of Raimondas Kurlianskis, former vice president of MG Baltic, who was accused of influence politicians in this case.
“For what purpose and what was he talking about and then talking about something somewhere, I should already ask him here,” replied the former head of STT to questions about A.Guoga’s speeches.
In September 2016, A.Guoga told the media that he had passed data on the pressure of R. Kurlianskis to the forces of order.
He also said that he believed Kurlianskis had an interest in the Liberal Movement.
Photo by Julius Kalinskas / 15min / Šarūnas Gustainis, Eligijus Masiulis, Raimondas Kurlianskis
In response to such comments, the businessman at the time called A.Guoga a “dung heap” and “a complete idiot” and said the politician was drunk during the talks.
As previously reported by the BNS news agency, R. Kurlianskis has also mentioned in court that A.Guoga has asked him to influence then-liberal leader Eligijus Masiulis during a meeting so that he does not oppose the establishment of the faction “Prospering Lithuania “. in the Liberal Movement and resigns from office.
A.Guoga himself confirmed in court that it could have been discussed, but said that “the word ‘ask’ is too much.”
Speaking about the chances of becoming prime minister, A. Guoga confirmed that he had offered a scenario to several people that if he succeeded in overthrowing Eligijus Masiulis in the Liberal Movement ranking in a multi-member constituency before the Seimas elections, he would would do. be appointed prime minister in place of E.Masiulis.
At that time, with respect to the Kurtasinti faction, R. Kurlianskis presented a version that contradicted the testimony of A. Guoga and the prosecution of the prosecutors.
The former vice president of MG Baltic is accused of agreeing with E. Masulis and illegally seeking not to appear in the Liberal Movement of the Prosperous Lithuania faction.
E.Masiulis, together with the former member of the Seimas Liberal Šarūnas Gustainis and the “employee” Vytautas Gapšis, are accused of influence peddling and bribery in the case being examined by the Vilnius Regional Court.
Photo by Sigismund Gedvila / 15min / Vytautas Gapšys
MP Gintaras Steponavičius is charged with abuse in the absence of signs of bribery.
R. Kurlianskis is accused of bribing politicians to make decisions beneficial to the company.
The charges in the case were also made against MG Baltic himself, the Labor Party and the Liberal Movement.
The defendants do not admit guilt, they say the police investigation was carried out in a biased manner.
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