Pavilion: I never supported communication with the Lukashenko regime when the presidency was not with us

“I have been fighting for 30 years, firstly, to join NATO, the European Union, then in America and Lithuania together with the president [Valdu] Adamkus and I have walked on a razor blade more than once. Many of my friends were personally forced to leave the service due to such attacks, some had to withdraw because they could not bear the pressure. I understand that there is a psychological attempt to take away those people who are fighting for freedom and democracy ”, Ž. Pavilion.

The politician does not believe that the fact that the video appeared after his visit to Berlin, where it turned out that the politician also registered a new marriage at the embassy, ​​is a coincidence.

“It just came to our knowledge then. I have enough experience already. Only a few people knew about my marriage registration. The fact that that mounted video was only posted when I landed in Berlin, I think, is really related. I was waiting for this release because the Kremlin had to get angry. We, our Baltic colleagues, did not understand what we were being told at the beginning, we only understood that when we checked with the Ukrainians, but we protect Berlin, Washington, Ottawa, Helsinki, the Norwegians, we could not protect only the Dutch. Because they wanted to generalize that attack. And we knew they would take revenge on us, that moment will come, “said the politician.

He recalled that in the past there have been similar provocations by the Kremlin and that they are being carried out on a regular basis.

“I was ready for that. For whom I am still not morally ready when mine sticks a knife in your back. This was also the case in the 39s, when we once betrayed our state security agents, so it happened to my eternal friend Renatas Juška. <…> We want Lithuanians to learn. Those attacks are meant to upset us. After all, all the statements we make on foreign policy are made unanimously. Good that [Valius] The oak slows down. We are moving forward together and we do not understand that unity is our main instrument, and they are trying to destroy it in every way, ”Ž said. Pavilion.

“If the next attack is against Mr. Skvernelis or Giedrius Surplis, or even Mr. Mindaugas Puidokas, who starts to make some interesting connections here, which even provoke laughter, I will be on your side,” assured a member of the Seimas.

“I felt something was wrong”

The Seimas URK Spokesperson says that he will not comment on the content of the published recordings, because their content is not authentic, the conversation has been cut off.

“If we say that we are fighting misinformation, we should never rely on videos and leaks that the Kremlin makes specifically,” he said. Pavilion.

He said that he already had suspicions during the interview that this could be a provocation.

“I felt like something was wrong. I felt that he was not giving me information because he was asking a lot. That, of course, is not in that video. Nothing was answered – everything was directed to the senator [Robertą] Menéndez – give me contacts. It also seemed suspicious to me. If you are talking to a person for the first time and suddenly you need to broadcast all the contacts that you have gained in 5 years. Then I asked him to write me a letter, I was late. There was a suspicion, but I really couldn’t tell right away that the Kremlin was here, “Ž. Pavilion.

The letter received, he said, only reinforced suspicions.

“It is written like a very good professional, as diplomats write after 20 years of service. On the other hand, he signed in a way that no one would sign. I started to check. I checked with the Ukrainians, the Baltic countries, Vytis Jurkonis, other people. “I did not send a letter. Imagine what it would have been like if I had sent a letter and betrayed Menendez. Today, it would be blocked all the way to Washington. That is why I stopped its operation,” said the spokesman for Seimas URK.

About this conversation Ž. Pavilionis says that at the time it was the Department of Homeland Security (SSD). According to him, in this case, for the first time in the Baltic countries, “deepfake” technologies were used.

In response to criticism that it may not be worth discussing things like those heard in conversation with citizens of other countries, Ž. The flag says it took him a while to realize it was a provocation.

“Then we met the real L. Volkov, so I talk to him very openly. Yes, you have to understand who you are talking to. It took me a while. No one warned me, without counterintelligence that I was talking to a spy. I was tipped off very often. But I informed our intelligence myself and they thanked me very much. Likewise, the presidents of Latvia and Estonia thanked them, who did not even suspect that they had spoken with the special services. The Ukrainian also thanked me. Even in Berlin at this time, I am. because I saved a German from such an attack. Menendez just wrote me a letter that awaits me in Washington together with Seimas Spokesperson Viktorija Čmilyte-Nielsen, because I also protected him “, Ž. Pavilion.

Positions differed with the presidency more than once

In a post published by provocateurs, the president of the URK allegedly advises not to listen to what President Gitanas Naus diceda says, because “Lithuania is a parliamentary republic, we are the largest party, and the prime minister and the foreign minister think so. same as I do. ” Although Ž. Pavilionis does not comment on the content of the post itself, admitting that his position and that of the presidency differ on many issues.

“Then we just realized. We had some political differences, but I think that’s normal. Yes, I never supported communication with the Lukashenko regime, even before the revolution. I was standing in Nemtsov Square with Vytautas Landsbergis, Petras Auštrevičius , we looked and asked why we were so few. Until that moment, the presidency was not with us. There was no doubt between us and Astrava. We were also called in several words in the annual report, supported [Žygimantą] Vaičiūnas, whose results we are still managing, ”Ž said. Pavilion.

“We haven’t been able to agree on Sakartwell’s issues for some time. The president didn’t like the fact that I got into the same whirlwind of crisis when an opposition leader stood up. Yes, I made a fuss about it, yes , I made a statement with Senator Menendez, the British, the German, all the key chairs of the foreign affairs committees, that it is unacceptable that there should be a respectable opposition to Sakartvele. A week later the president of the European Union arrived, it was Four months of negotiations began and all the issues raised by the Pavilion when it was criticized by the president were raised, and Melija, who got out of jail, first thanked me: “Thank you, Hike, for bringing this to your attention.”

Sure, it’s easy for the president to go to Sakartwell now that the four-month fight is over, but I wanted the president to go from the beginning and I spoke to the lady until the last minute. [Asta] In Skaisgiryte, urging the president to go to Sakartvelas, as we did with President Adamkus. Well, some positions differed, but I think I had the entire leadership of the EU and the United States with me ”, said the president of Seimas URK in the program“ Events of the week ”.