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In addition, there are Christian motifs in his work: in poems, the Queen of Peace can “poke you with a taszer”. Also, barbies no longer meet beauty standards and the writing becomes a parody in itself.
T.Petrulis made his debut with the book “Noise Snake”, which was nominated in the “Picks for Book of the Year” and “Picks for Most Creative Books.”
In this interview with the poet we speak openly, but with a bit of irony.
Juliaus Kalinsko / 15min nuotr./Tomas Petrulis
Questions that, waiting, will not be answered
– A poem ironically asks how to get Satan out of himself when he is sad at work.
– I feel stagnant (laughs). But Satan can catch up not only in the workplace but also in the form of interviews. And how you expel him depends on the specific circumstances or how he possessed you. If it happened at work, there are some exits, if elsewhere, others, but on the other hand, if you work as an exorcist, it shouldn’t be that difficult.
– Do you see yourself as a poet as a kind of exorcist?
– Yes, I am an exorcist, but in an ironic sense. In me, Satan does not fight with God at the same time (although there are not so few such poets in Lithuania even today). So I am not immersed on a “spiritual” level.
I am not authorized by the Vatican to do so, but I am casting Satan out of the people.
However, I will admit that I am not authorized by the Vatican to do so, but I am casting Satan out of the people (perhaps now less) to the extent that I am in power. For example, I speak all kinds of nonsense. There are also cases between other people and my friends where some serious theory is put into practice. [pavyzdžiui, radikaliai kairuoliškomis ar ekologijos] themes. But when you start to mock, gradually you see Satan come out of them. Sometimes people react painfully to my sarcasm; I probably drank a couple at a time when I was still more inclined to get into those things.
– You seem to have a kind of attitude towards the symbols of Christianity. However, I do not think that such an ironic relationship with this tradition is new. Is this the only relationship with religion itself? Maybe you had to practice?
– Yes, I accept Christianity with an ironic distance, but I have to bear in mind that I am a serious ironic. Many people think that I am making fun of my text messages, but that is not the case. The irony stems from a complex relationship, an inability to identify with the faith, the Catholic Church. He used to be very religious and practicing.
– Religion in the XXI century. It no longer occupies as large a part of Lithuanian society as before.
– Religious institutions are one thing, but the issues of faith and meaning are not exactly the same for them. These problems persist despite the weakening or strengthening of the influence of institutions, whatever the secularized society. However, there are many interlocking issues and problems in this complex issue.
– Do you believe in the meaning of life or are you a fashionable nihilist?
– It seems to me that the question posed in this way covers the very essence. Because meaning is not a fixed size or object that we can grasp. I would think that it spreads in front of a person more than a certain complete moment, complete or as its lack, nothing.
– One of your last poems is called “The Queen of Peace Taser”. This metaphor seems to be an attempt to convey a sense of absurdity caused by the dogmatism of religion: “the queen of peace will only prick / forgive Electricity to remember.”
– Let’s reformulate – I am not writing because I know something about the “dogmatism of religion”. Sometimes some experiences are extremely difficult to insert and the text comes out of ignorance. Therefore, it is not clear to what extent the end result has to do with the initial experience that inspired the poem.
Religious institutions are one thing, but the issues of faith and meaning are not exactly the same for them.
In my opinion, any explanation of experience in rationalizing language ultimately leads to stagnation. So humor becomes one of the ways to avoid it.
Juliaus Kalinsko / 15min nuotr./Tomas Petrulis
About the beautiful and erotic
– Your first chapter is called “kru kriu”. Why were these onomatopoeias necessary?
– The chapters are somewhat random and a book of poetry is found differently than a novel. If a book has a concept, then it is born out of all the poems. This chapter is named after one of the funniest and most pornographic poems. After all, there is much more to the problem of language and reality in this book: how you penetrate the subject and how you interact with it. How to become a victim of words and certain speeches. But maybe the words beyond narratives and ideologies don’t exist at all?
– Are you trying to find unconventional stories?
– I’m trying to understand what’s going on (laughs). And I’m not really looking for narratives, because they were made anyway. I try to stick to what’s left when the stories are over. Since it’s basically impossible to shrink everything down and see what’s left of it, it’s a failed attempt in itself. It is serious until there is an awareness of a circle from which you cannot jump; certain openings are short and penetrated language, penetrated, violated. He’s also very comical, so he starts to poke fun at your effort. By the way, language and coercion are related things. However, I have already mentioned in previous interviews about the sterilizing effect of speech.
Language and coercion are related.
– The poem “kriu-kriu” speaks of a completely different beauty: “and in our steak / swallow your feet / expose your vulva / and your own penis”. Later she continues: “either the barbies cry / or the barbies are sad / they can’t / they don’t have it”.
– I often think about what beauty and eroticism are, and it can be very unexpected. For example, in a perverse way.
We can consider beauty as an instantaneous opening, an epiphanic thing; It is not possible to define or list the spiritual or physical qualities that a beautiful person should have. The most real moments of beauty happened to me not by flipping through magazines, not by being with beautiful girls who know they are, but unexpectedly. Maybe they are neuroprocesses, or maybe it’s really a thanksgiving?
Book cover / Tomas Petrulis. Sterile
On pornography that reveals power relationships
– When it comes to pornography, which is illegal in Lithuania, but there is a lot of thoughtfulness in your work, how do you understand it?
– Yes, it is illegal to produce and distribute it in Lithuania and serious problems can arise. But pornography works one way or another.
It doesn’t matter who you are: eat raw or gay without legs, it’s a structure that manipulates your feelings and tries to participate.
I’m interested in pornography in theory. It has a commanding power ratio, but it would not be worth speculating here on matriarchy or patriarchy. I am interested in the relationship between the media and the body, which is fundamentally subordinate to a certain structure of passion.
After all, Sterile is not about my experience of watching porn, but about how commitment to one ideology or another is close to the structure of porn. It doesn’t matter who you are: raw or gay without legs, it’s a structure that manipulates your feelings and tries to get you involved.
– Do you see pornography as something harmful?
– As inevitable, but that doesn’t mean you don’t have to try to critically take it and play with it. Perhaps my game is one of the methods to respond to many hysterical speeches about #MeToo, Fridays for the Future, Black Lives Matter, etc.
As “empathy” becomes ubiquitous, it becomes increasingly difficult to ask questions.
Yes, I will not argue, the main impetus for these phenomena may be the problems that really exist, the real pain and suffering of the people, but when they reach the public eye, the media, it becomes a disastrous avalanche. of information that is involved in a certain power relationship. If you make fun of it or doubt it, they often mark you.
Not to mention that those narratives become an uncontrollable process, during which, along the way, all kinds of conspiracy theories, rumors, etc. are created. It can kill more sensitive people. As “empathy” becomes ubiquitous, it becomes increasingly difficult to ask questions.
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