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■ Cast: Hyun Geun-taek / Lawyer, Lee Jong-hoon / Political Critic
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[임이자 / 미래통합당 의원 : (재난지원금을 모든 국민에게 1인당 30만 원씩) 50번이면 750조 원이죠, 750조 원. 100번이면 천5백조 원인데, 이렇게 줘도 상관이 없다고 말씀하시는 이재명 경기도지사의 의견에 대해서는 어떻게 생각하십니까?] [홍남기 / 경제부총리 : 그것은 책임없는 발언입니다. (그렇죠? 아주 철없는 얘기죠? 그렇죠?) 예, 저는 그렇게 생각합니다. 자칫 잘못하면 국민에게 오해의 소지를 줄 수 있는 발언이고요.] [앵커]Earlier, Gyeonggi Governor Lee Jae-myeong insisted that there is no problem in distributing disaster grants 50-100 times to all citizens, but Vice Premier Hong Nam-ki made a comment so resembling a bone. But I think the comments became a problem. Isn’t it an immature story? I agreed with this part. What you think?
[이종훈]I don’t think I really agree with that. Before that, comments without responsibility. Doesn’t this talk about it? I answered that part. Especially when opposition lawmakers ask questions, they are good at mixing things up a bit. Then, it will be a kind of questioning method that leads to such a comment as if the Deputy Prime Minister of Economy or the ministers who came out to answer, or as if these people had said or agreed. It can be seen as an interrogation technique, but it is used often. But, in a way, I see that it belongs to the case where Vice Premier Hong Nam-ki got a bit complicated this time. I don’t think I have even agreed to say that it is an impatient comment. Criticism has also come from that part within the ruling party, but I think it should be covered and heard by the ruling party. However, regarding Governor Jae-myeong Lee’s statements, I think Vice Premier Hong should, of course, speak like this. So Vice Premier Hong is the person in charge of Nara Salim anyway. I mean, more than anyone, you shouldn’t be seriously concerned about the national debt. So is. At home, in a way, it’s such an update that currently plays the role of the person in charge of managing the funds, which is why there have been so many additional drafts in the past. If I have to pay debt money, I have no choice but to make a statement as a barn in charge of the barn. That is what I think. Also, isn’t the opposition lawmaker asking too many questions? I think about it.
[앵커]Today, Governor Lee Jae-myeong is embarrassed by Vice Premier Hong Nam-ki’s criticism on his SNS. I will try to grow old as you repress it for being immature. They also defended themselves like this. In the case of Governor Lee Jae-myeong, this is the story of Vice Premier Hong Nam-ki’s claim to the Unified Party. It is criticized that it is the logic of the unification party, but in the end it seems that the position on this part of the general payment and the selective payment is different.
[현근택]As everyone knows, Vice Premier Hong Nam-ki insisted on the selection last time. This was the case when the ruling party insisted on universality. Anyway, it is correct to think of your convictions and financial strength as you basically said, but politically, it is a bit disappointing. Because Congressman Lim Jai wasn’t asking for that much. What you think? I did this. So it is generally not appropriate. I find it difficult to agree. It’s this kind of answer. But there is no responsibility. I said this. So, isn’t it an impatient word because Congressman Lim Ja-soo received it and even spoke irresponsible words? I went like this. I agreed, but I am not responsible. I said that I was not responsible for myself. After that, I said yes and no, but I saw that Governor Lee Jae-myeong of course said that it doesn’t matter if I give 50 or 100 times, but I’m a bit sorry. So I do not agree, it is not appropriate, it is difficult to agree, I think it is okay to say something like I think there is a financial problem.
[앵커]Following Deputy Prime Minister Hong’s statements, there was a strong saturation within the ruling party. In the case of Congressman Jin Seong-jun, I hope he is careful what he says or does. He also said this, and in the case of Congressman Lee Sang-min, he said he had no distress or disposition for his thoughts. When the controversy grew like this, Vice Premier Hong said that he did not agree with the lack of iron. Come hear the comments directly.
[홍남기 / 경제부총리 겸 재정경제부 장관 : 제가 어떻게 경기도 지사에게 철이 있다, 없다고 얘기를 하겠습니까. 책임 측면에서 조금, 책임 없이 발언하신 거라고 저는 생각한다는 것을 강조해서 말씀드린 것이고요….] [앵커]As mentioned above, when the ruling party lawmakers stepped up, Vice Premier Hong made this explanation. In the end, we will discuss the second disaster support payment, and in the end, is it a universal or selective payment? What do you think should be done when discussions about this part seem to flare up?
[이종훈]I think it’s okay to make ordered payments now. That is my personal criteria. In fact, President Moon Jae-in also spoke about selective payment when the first disaster aid was paid. We talked about paying 70%, but there was an electoral situation at that time, so let’s pay all the opposition parties. In this way, in fact, there were things that were decided as public opinion flowed. It was also said at the time, but in the case of selective payment, administrative costs are more expensive to select. And since there is no time, it was decided that all payments are correct right now in order to make quick payments. So we already paid the first disaster relief fund and used it all up. I confirmed that there was some degree of economic stimulus effect. However, I think the situation at that time and the situation now is a little different. So this is entering a protracted phase. Did you really expect this phase of reproliferation? No. This was the case for the economic part and the quarantine, and I thought that it would gradually go into a hiatus, but an unexpected situation occurred. So what should I do in this phase? That is what I see, but in my opinion, companies and economic actors have endured the same until now, but now I think it is difficult to endure more. Therefore, large-scale restructuring will be inevitable and there will be quite a few companies out of business. If that happens, it means that there are people who lose their jobs and have nothing to eat tomorrow. In that case, which side will you focus on the most? So in my opinion, I think the first priority is to manage people who are falling into extreme poverty. In that way, I think it is not enough even if you spend your budget on the relief of those people. More than the effect of expanding this to the whole and paying it to all the people, I think it is time to make good judgments because it is the moment in which it is necessary at the national level to intensely manage those parts.
[현근택]This is my personal opinion. The argument has yet to be decided. Personally, I think it is correct to pay universally for all the people. Because I basically gave it my all in the first round. What was controversial at the time, I think, was based on health insurance. It was between 230,000 and 270,000 won, but when I heard that, many of the people who work at work say that I’m in the top 30%? There will be many people thinking this way. That is why there are many places where it is difficult to determine the income of the self-employed. So there are many self-employed who pay less than 100,000 won for health insurance. And in fact, today’s health insurance will go a long way to people with high incomes, especially monthly income. People with a lot of assets don’t have as much health insurance. So somehow 230,000 won falls into the top 30%. That’s because, in a way, it’s a bit unfavorable for payers. Is it fair to see it in that sense? And by sharing, can people really accept it? When I paid for the first time, I did everything, but why not give it to the second? These stories may come out, but anyway, the current mood seems to be heading a bit towards the national team. That’s because the opposition party is also in that position, and the new party leader, Lee Nak-yeon, is in that position, followed by the government. So the government and the opposition party after the ruling party have the same opinion, so is it not difficult for me to reach an agreement? Also, since CEO Nak-yeon Lee talked about this from the beginning, I became the new representative, but I think it won’t work or not. So, I don’t think it’s hard to get paid before Chuseok.