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– As a presenter, I was very dissatisfied with the whole debate, which was probably also a lot of viewers and listeners. It is a pity that the debaters choose not to respect the normal rules of the game. This makes it nearly impossible to be a counter-debater, host, and audience.
It is the verdict of host Espen Aas after this week’s Dagsnytt 18 debate between Labor Party’s Anette Trettebergstuen and Culture Minister Abid Raja (V).
The debate was marked by a series of interruptions in which Raja eventually removed his headphones so as not to put Trettebergstuen on his ear.
The debate centered on the government’s efforts for cultural life, which now lives with great uncertainty in the face of summer. But there was little debate, mainly interruptions.
– If I had been in the studio, I probably would have jumped to Raja to withdraw the word or hold his microphone. There is a lack of popular customs. It’s one thing that we disagree, but now let’s let people express themselves. I’m tired of it happening all the time, says Trettebergstuen of the debate.
Festival director Thomas Ryjord in Trondheim Calling says he counted the number of interruptions during the short debate.
– I stopped counting 50 interruptions. It is tremendously arrogant on the part of the Minister of Culture and I hope that this is not the tone of the year that we are going through. The government must listen, says Ryjord, who first relayed the frustration on Facebook.
– childish
Raja sat in the studio while Trettebergstuen was on video and emphasizes that it is not herself she is now going to war for.
– I tolerate that Raja interrupts and behaves childishly with me. But I’m really pissed off on behalf of the cultural life I’m talking about. They deserve a minister who takes problems and crisis seriously. Not someone who sits like that in the studio and jokes around, says Trettebergstuen.
Both Trettebergstuen and Raja interrupted the debate, which can be seen here, but host Espen Aas singles out Trettebergstuen as the top performer.
Aas is allowed to give Raja advice before further discussions:
– Unfortunately, the one in line from the outside becomes the loser when it comes to spreading the word. Whoever lost in general is probably more open. It’s not just Abid Raja who has chosen to debate like this, but I think those who choose that style can benefit from listening to themselves afterward.
NOT SATISFIED: Espen Aas believes that it became nearly impossible for listeners and viewers to see what the debate was really about. NRK screenshot
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Raja: – I didn’t want to cancel
However, Abid Raja does not agree that he was the worst in the debate.
– I hope a seasoned politician like Anette Trettebergstuen is used to getting hot in the debating studio. Here, however, I think we should share the blame if listeners are having a hard time keeping up, says Raja.
– Of course, I don’t mean to interrupt or not listen to my fellow debater. However, I think it is important to spread the message when I experience her misrepresenting the government’s work on this crisis in the cultural sector, continues Raja.
The Culture Minister justifies his firm commitment by saying that he believes Trettebergstuen is undermining the government.
– I experience that their motive is to generate mistrust by misinforming and misleading the cultural sector about the schemes and good intentions that I and the government have.
Pointing at each other: – Very reprehensible
Will turn off the mic
Trettebergstuen says she has never received so much feedback after a debate.
– This is a behavior that I never find in others I meet to debate. It is symptomatic that you sit back and be content with your own efforts and not listen to how others experience it.
Trettebergstuen also does not recognize himself in Raja’s description of reality.
– The Minister of Culture paints a prestigious picture in which no one in cultural life recognizes himself. They are desperate, solutions arrive late and hit hard, it is difficult to dialogue with the Minister. I meet these people every day, and it is on their behalf that I confront Raja.
– How should you prepare for the next debate against Raja?
– Stay in the studio to be able to physically turn off your microphone. I think we have to work really hard here, says Trettebergstuen with a twinkle in her eye.
But right there Espen Aas puts his foot on the ground.
– There will be no opportunity for debaters to turn off each other’s microphones, that’s what a technician does.
