Lithuanian trip from Qatar to Korea “during the crown apocalypse”: “We don’t regret it for a moment”

“Having left Lithuania all this time, I did not regret it for a moment. Really, – emphasized Augustinas Žemaitis, who started the trip on March 11.” For some reason, people who hear stories like ours say they are trapped in Asia. “But I don’t feel trapped, from this point of view, it seems that many Europeans are trapped in their cities, in their countries.” When the risk of infection in so many places is so low, he thinks that the closures do much more harm that good.

Caring carefully for the trip, following the latest news, they successfully reached Southeast Asia via Poland and Qatar, but more than once they did not know until the last minute if they could actually board the plane. After spending a couple of weeks in Thailand, Indonesia and their island of Bali, at the end of the month, the Lithuanians spontaneously decided to move to South Korea, a country from which Lithuania is also learning to control the coronavirus.

Agustín published a consistent travel journal on his blog (Across the world during the crown apocalypse) and an interview 15min He shared, among other things, discussions on what injuries the world can have after a pandemic. According to Agustín, they are not caused by the coronavirus as a disease, but by panic and the reckless reaction of politicians.

“Digital Wanderer”, a researcher of Lithuanian heritage abroad, Augustinas and his wife Aiste have been expeditioning to places related to Lithuania for several years: creating an interactive map of Lithuanian places in America www.tikslasamerika.lt and the Encyclopedia of Heritage Lithuanian Abroad www.gabaleliailietuvos.lt, or as well as Lithuanian online travel guides www.augustinas.net A couple traveling the world did not give up on their plans for Asia due to the coronavirus.

– Was there any idea to cancel, postpone the trip? Why did you decide not to quit anyway?

– There was not. In particular, when we left in March, there were no exit bans, border closings, mass quarantines (except in individual countries like North Korea, where the borders were closed, or China, where quarantine was introduced). Admittedly, the trip will not go according to plan, you might have already predicted.

However, my situation is different from that of many people: I work a lot online, my clients are not mainly from Lithuania. This is always the case, not just during a pandemic. And that means that I can work from anywhere in the world. Either way, since 2017. I spend about half a year abroad, I am a so-called “digital nomad” (read more here: The digital nomad is the life I strive for) And this trip was supposed to last 2 months. Now it is clear that it will take longer, but I do not regret it, I do not consider myself “stuck”.

It would also have been impossible to get a refund for many airline tickets.

Furthermore, I am well aware that, in the case of all kinds of cataclysms, the greatest losses for tourist states, such as Thailand or Indonesia, are not caused by the tragedy itself, but by the fugitives and absent. After all, in such countries, a large proportion of people make a living from tourism, a large proportion of taxes are collected from tourism. Indonesia itself even hired online at the start of the coronavirus crisis influenceriusto encourage tourists not to abandon plans to come to Indonesia.

I adhere to a certain travel ethic (described in more detail here: Ethical travel: how to travel to help) and one of their reasons is not to give up traveling due to unfounded fears.

In the case of a wide range of cataclysms, the biggest losses for tourist states like Thailand or Indonesia are not caused by the tragedy itself, but by the fugitives and absent.

I evaluate each situation myself based on statistics, science, probabilities, not emotions. Yes, there are real dangers in the world, like wars: in general, it is not only dangerous to travel at that time, but it is almost impossible. But the fears of most travelers are unfounded.

It may seem incredible, but statistically it is true: every time you sit behind the wheel in Lithuania, you risk your health and your life more than traveling to many countries that suffer terrorism, diseases or earthquakes.

I heard many sad stories from hotels, restaurants, and guides in different countries about how their “scared tourists” ruined their lives. Here it is I traveled to Mauritania last year. Locals sadly recounted how the entire tourism industry there collapsed after a single terrorist attack in which several French tourists died. The attack took place 14 years ago, there was nothing like it after that, but that is why the Dakar Rally rose from Africa, and when I told the Lithuanians that I was going to Mauritania, many people asked, “How can they not have Scared, is the war going on there, killing tourists? ” And indeed, Mauritania is a safe country, as you can see from the statistics. But I was one of the few tourists out there.

After analyzing the possibilities of contracting a coronavirus infection in Asia, the possible protection measures, I realized that this is also a very exaggerated fear.

– How did you get to the first airport – Warsaw? Poland had already taken measures at the border.

– Poland had introduced border controls, but not yet an entry ban. At the Kalvarija / Budzisko border crossing, a man in a full protective suit got wet and measured everyone’s temperature. After receiving the “security” signal, the border guard reviewed the passports.

I also had to fill out a questionnaire over the phone at: If someone on that bus got sick, they probably would have contacted me and tested the virus.

After analyzing the possibilities of contracting a coronavirus infection in Asia, the possible protection measures, I realized that this is also a very exaggerated fear.

– What security measures did you take while traveling?

We have already discussed in Lithuania how we will be safe and will consistently adhere to those measures.

a) Face masks. We have always used them in all public spaces from the moment we left Europe. Suppose we were on a plane and slept with them. Of course, we put masks on according to the rules, keeping them from the outside. If we accidentally touch from the inside or the mask falls to the ground, we discard the mask.

b) We always try to keep our distance from other people (online, in transport, waiting at the crossing). As many places are unpopulated or empty due to decreased tourism, this is generally not difficult. From everything that coughs, sneezes, growls, we quickly pull as far as possible, we do not get on the same elevator, etc. In restaurants, we sit at the table farthest from other closest customers.

c) In some countries where we plan to travel by public transport, we choose to rent a car (there may be fewer people and public transport may be restricted).

d) Hygiene: Whenever possible, stop washing or disinfecting your hands (eg, going to the bathroom or disinfectant). Of course, we must wash ourselves before meals, rubbing our eyes, etc. We carry the disinfectant ourselves on a regular basis.

e) We regularly disinfect telephones and cameras (surfaces that we touch even outdoors with dirty hands).

f) In personal spaces (such as a hotel room) we change clothes in addition to being outside, and we never really go to our room or apartment with outdoor shoes.

g) All the details. If, for example, a tool in a restaurant accidentally touches the table surface, we take it to the sink to wash it.

Interestingly, after reading a lot about this disease, I am not afraid of contracting it. However, when I cross national borders, my situation is special: I would not want to “transport” the virus across borders, to infect an elderly person who would be at risk.

Also, it is not even coronavirus, but the most basic inflammation of the airways can now cause bureaucratic problems: it will not allow you to enter, deport, isolate (with other patients), quarantine. Similar protective measures help against all diseases.

Having read a lot about this disease, I am not afraid of contracting it. However, he would not want to “transport” the virus across borders, to infect any elderly person who would be at risk.

This is why I take it so seriously. In fact, my immunity is not strong anyway and I often suffer from “colds” (runny nose, sore throat, cough). And I didn’t get sick during this trip, apparently all the tools helped.

I understand that some methods may be “overdone”. I’m looking for scientific articles, scientific comments, test results that show how much the methods work (for example, test results, how long the virus remains viable on various surfaces, they can decide how relevant it is to disinfect, wash, wash).

Of course, there are still not many such articles, especially in the fight, so in some places it was necessary to speculate or follow the principle of “the reservation is not shameful”. If it is firmly explained that some method does not work, I reject it.

– Were there times when you thought that everything, the trip would be interrupted? Or do you regret leaving, considering going back to Lithuania?

– The biggest fear / risk was when flying to a new country. Will you let in, won’t you let in? As things changed very quickly, the walls closed.

Of course, I analyzed everything, I spent more than an hour the day before reading the various portals of those countries, if there was any message that they would not miss me by any criteria. If I don’t fly, “best sparrow in hand.”

But after all, not everything enters the media at the same time … I think there was always up to a 10% chance of not letting go, which is a lot when a lot accumulates on the card. Because what if you don’t let me in? I will not be able to deport Lithuania (there are no flights), I will not be able to deport the last country I came from (it was more than once that the country we left did not allow the entry of new foreigners at that time).

Well, after leaving Lithuania, I didn’t regret a moment during all this time. For real.

For some reason, people who hear stories like ours say they are “stuck in Asia.” But I don’t feel trapped: from this point of view, it seems that many Europeans are trapped in their cities, in their countries. If I was in Lithuania, I would feel “trapped in Lithuania”, the situation there is much more complicated. Not because of the virus (Lithuania is doing well), but because of excessive reactions, massive closures.

I am very happy to be in South Korea. Almost everything here is open and has never been massively closed. Even when 1,000 people were infected with the coronavirus in one day, authorities did not panic, but instead attacked and broke the virus with gentle targeted measures. Now ~ 10 people are infected in South Korea every day. And all that time, there were not only restaurants or bars, but also amusement parks, cinemas, etc.

– How did you face challenges as tourists? Perhaps the hotels did not work, reservations were canceled, etc.? Did it take a long time to check the latest information? The views probably didn’t make everyone see what you wanted.

– Before leaving Lithuania, you had already seen where the situation was heading, so you had not booked any hotel, car rental, excursions or anything else in advance.

Let’s say I booked a hotel in Qatar right at the Warsaw airport and waiting for a flight to Doha; Similarly, an apartment in Bangkok, at the airport waiting for a flight to Bangkok. And he wouldn’t have done that, but border guards can ask for evidence of an overnight stay (that’s what happened in South Korea).

If I was in Lithuania, I would feel “trapped in Lithuania”, the situation there is much more complicated. Not because of the virus (Lithuania is doing well), but because of excessive reactions, massive closures.

The only thing he had booked well in advance were the flights themselves. I booked them last year: to save money, flights need to be booked more than a month in advance and of course last year no one could have imagined a situation like the world.

Clearly, some flights have been canceled and some have become illogical due to the change in plans.

Some of the sights were closed, we did not reach “many” (for example, if we had arrived in Qatar a day earlier, we would have gone to the largest museum of Islamic art in the world). But we always find alternative places of interest.

Nowhere did we quarantine as radical as it was introduced in Lithuania when we left. Although part of the facilities did not work in many countries, a significant number of tourist places, all the restaurants, services and shops operated everywhere.

And verifying the information has really become a “second job” that is necessary so that you do not waste money and time, do not go indoors and, God forbid, do not fly to a country that will not let you in.

– You did not plan to visit South Korea during this trip. How did you get there?

– During the first two weeks, everything went more or less according to plan. Although it already seemed incredible: the countries closed one after another. “The loop hastened.” But I arrived in Qatar five days before he closed his borders, in Thailand three days before he lifted his visa-free regime, and in Indonesia (Bali) five hours earlier.

It was always a question for the flea market: whether to continue the plan or stop, stay there. The whole time I decided to continue the plan and I did not regret it. Already after Indonesia from Qatar, I saw in the online media in Thailand that the situation there was deteriorating much faster, both in terms of the number of people infected (compared to the population) and the severity of the measures. Thailand closed at all, as did Lithuania, and there was more freedom in Qatar for some time, but it was even more severely restricted. And Indonesian President Yoko Widodo has clearly opposed that “mass quarantine.”

“The loop hastened.” But I arrived in Qatar 5 days before its borders closed, in Thailand 3 days before the visa-free regime was lifted, and in Indonesia (Bali) five hours earlier.

However, on March 29. We had plane tickets to continue the journey. We plan to fly from Bali to Java (another Indonesian island), then to Borneo, where Birutė Galdik is famous for Tanjung Puting National Park, famous for its orangutans, and then to Batam. From there, we plan to take a ferry to Singapore, fly to Thailand, where it is the Thai New Year, and then return to Europe.

But when Singapore closed its borders, it was clear that the journey would continue. Thailand canceled the new year, Thailand also closed its borders. Well, they didn’t want to get stuck in a corner of Indonesia like Borneo (no matter how Widodo promised not to quarantine, you don’t know what to believe today).

One option was to stay in Bali, probably for several months: Indonesia automatically extended the right to stay in the country to all foreigners. But after considering it, I came up with a better alternative, which I liked more and more: moving to South Korea. This country is fighting very well against the coronavirus: the number of diseases has decreased, although no massive quarantine has been introduced …

It was also interesting to see that successful and democratic system for combating the coronavirus from within, while supporting Korea on the right track. And it is much more likely that he himself will remain free of all the strange restrictions. Also, I like Korean culture, I already visited there in 2015. Alone and I always promised to go and with my wife. South Korea was also one of the last countries not to restrict the entry of Lithuanians.

So, he spontaneously bought tickets in Bali-Seoul on March 30. We fly to South Korea.

– You mentioned that the hardest thing was getting to South Korea. What awaited you at the airport?

– Two quarantine posts: complete health reports, check the temperature, watch closely to see if I come from Europe. After all, visitors to Europe were screened since COVID-19 and quarantined on the 14th, and those from Asia were not.

Although I am a European citizen, I have been in Asia for more than 14 days, which has left me without evidence or quarantine.

I, like all newcomers, had to install a self-diagnosis applet and “report” daily for 14 days if certain coronavirus symptoms had occurred (fever, sore throat, shortness of breath). Did not happen

And the most difficult part was the immigration service. I said that I would be in Korea for almost 3 months. It is possible for Lithuanians without a visa, but it raised suspicions and invited them to a longer conversation. From the hypothesis that perhaps I will work illegally, I defended myself with business cards of both my work and my www.augustinas.net blog: I am a traveler, I present foreign cultures in a blog.

Although I am a European citizen, I have been in Asia for more than 14 days, which has brought me to South Korea without proof or quarantine.

But today, this raises other suspicions: if a traveler, perhaps as soon as I arrive, I will scatter across the country, endangering if I still have coronaviruses. But luckily, I had already planned to stay a whole month in Seoul, I booked an apartment there. “I will travel the country only after a month if the virus situation improves,” I promised border guards, and in fact I was only in the Seoul conurbation that month.

Still, the entire process took several hours, and officials also called our landlord. The Thai man sitting next to him was deported (apparently suspected of working illegally) but was eventually missed.

Reading your story seems like you’re the baby of success. How do you rate the current trip? All went well?

– I think, in this context, you have been very successful, as you could. We have never found ourselves in a “closed” state where no one is working. Lithuania, Poland, Qatar, Thailand and, in part, Indonesia are now closed. But all the massive quarantines were introduced only after we left.

We also did not catch up with the closure of the borders: we entered many countries a few days or even hours before they rejected us or forced us to quarantine.

At the same time, we protect ourselves from the virus itself, we don’t get sick.

Yes, I may not have seen as many tourist sites or cultural experiences as I had planned, but this trip gave me more than a regular trip at a regular time. There is much to think about this crisis, humanity, the need not to delay anything, because I do not know what will happen tomorrow.

It is interesting and important to see how different countries and cultures handle the same challenge: I try to share my thoughts with my www.augustinas.net On the blog, maybe someone is helpful in Lithuania.

– South Korea is considered a success story in fighting the spread of the virus. What can Lithuania learn from this?

– South Korea is acting wisely. Do what is necessary, and no more. South Korea is very active in investigating each infection and seeing where it originated, and closing only those places where there is a real infection. Let’s say that one of the main critical points of the epidemic was the church (there are many extremely religious, young people in South Korea), so the activities of the church are limited.

South Korea is behaving wisely. Do what is necessary, and no more.

Well and other places worked and are working. And it turns out that by taking precautions (for example, sanitizing compliance surfaces in amusement parks), basically no one gets infected in those places. Because the coronavirus no longer spreads so easily – one person infects 2-3 others, but after all, they all have family members they live with, close coworkers – those 2-3 are usually them. There are still many infections in hospitals that will not close, but also abroad (this is already being addressed by testing and quarantining newcomers, not restricting everyone’s lives).

And infections, for example, in restaurants, amusement parks, movie theaters, shops, as South Korean research shows, are almost non-existent.

Without panicking in this way, Korea saved its business, its economy, and still got over the virus. And now in many countries it is already seen that it is not the virus but the response to panic, the closure of everything that causes more damage, often even deaths (from victims of suicide or domestic violence to Indian tragedies, when millions of people do not They have nothing to eat after public transportation closes.) They walked home hundreds of miles, some fell dead on the road, or were hit by trucks.)

Unfortunately, it is too late to use this South Korean experience in Lithuania – we have closed all kinds of companies for a month or more. We are gradually opening, but will not be returning that month: there was no income, no state taxes were paid, and so on. There will probably be billions of losses in a “flat place.”

Latvian “brothers” followed South Korea more than us, and they also closed things less (Latvia always had all the shops, restaurants and many services). And nothing bad happened to the Latvians, on the contrary, the virus spread there even more slowly than in Lithuania. When the risk of infection in such places is so low, closures do much more harm than good. I discussed this in more detail here: States’ response to coronavirus: how is it better?

Well Lithuania has copied South Korea’s antivirus system anyway, for example South Korea invented the mobile test points. This helped curb the virus in Lithuania.

When the risk of infection in such places is so low, closures do much more harm than good.

Admittedly, in Lithuania, as in Korea, it was not possible for patients to quickly use their personal information, phone or credit card data to trace contacts – this was hampered by EU law and privacy protection .

– What is people’s attitude towards the virus? Did you panic while traveling?

– Depends on the country. Crossing a border these days, and entering another world, as if traveling from one place to another in time. And it’s not really just the infected parts that determine it.

Suppose masks. When I left Lithuania on March 11, there was basically no one in Lithuania, and I was ridiculed by the people who tried to put me in Vilnius. In Poland on March 12. some I’ve seen, but as exotic.

Qatar from March 12 to 16. around 10-20% used them, it is true, only Arabs or Indians; none of the Europeans seen used it. In Thailand from March 16 to 19. Driven by over 80% of locals and up to half of tourists.

In Indonesia, March 19-30. only a few people wore masks and not whites; Again, none of me, a masked man, laughed (and more often I received such reactions from other whites).

In South Korea, where I arrived on March 30, more than 90% of people wore masks (both local and Caucasian). Well, other combat methods are different.

– Do you feel that there has been a change in attitudes towards travelers? Both in the social space in Lithuania and in Asia?

– Personally I did not feel it in Asia, perhaps because I am trying to adapt to the situation and behave like the locals.

Often, negative attitudes are not towards travelers, but towards some of their behaviors. For example, when I arrived in Thailand, the local portal was filled with the opinion of the Thai health minister that “foreigners who refuse to put on a face mask should be deported, and it is worth keeping them away from them because they are dirty” .

English speakers wrote comments after that article, alleging that extreme Thai nationalism manifested itself here. Perhaps, the minister apologized. But the situation is this: more than 80% of Thais were already wearing face masks on March 16. It is more common for them than for Europeans. The Thai government also distributed masks to tourists in one city, but a significant number of foreigners refused to put them on, infuriating the minister. Well, without wearing a face mask, there are some dangers to others if you get sick.

In fact, there is nothing new here: There have always been travelers who behave irresponsibly in foreign countries. Suppose you multiply alcohol, drive after drinking, urinate in public places. There are always many of them in Southeast Asia, because there are many young Europeans who are “going crazy” there. And such “travelers” never fascinated the locals.

But problems have always been raised by a minority. Many travelers are very useful for the countries they travel to, from where entire cities live. They strive to behave appropriately, respect local culture and traditions, and therefore the benefits of tourism far outweigh the damage in many places.

What has changed with the coronavirus: Some things that used to be normal are now a danger or a fear to those around you.

It was once customary in Asia that “whites never wear masks”, and if a “hot Italian” in a country where this is not the case touched the interlocutor, it was just a cultural misunderstanding that the foreigner forgave. Now that behavior can cause fear or anger in some locals.

Not all travelers have been able to adapt to this, many people are behaving “as before”, which is no longer acceptable in itself. Instead of a “troubled minority”, a large part suddenly became “troubled” and countries began to react with bans.

It is better to watch what everyone around you is doing in each country and be careful at least as much as they do, or even more. Even if you are not afraid of the virus itself. Here’s the same thing as a Muslim country to dress decently: respect for the locals.

Clearly, my experience is only from Asia. From, say, Africa, I have heard sadder stories of true racism against whites. I can believe that, because it’s there in normal times. But on the other hand, these days you can’t just trust what you’ve heard, so let the people who are there now talk about other lands.

What has changed with the coronavirus: Some things that used to be normal are now a danger or a fear to those around you.

– What are your immediate plans?

– You can’t plan much these days! We have the right to be in South Korea until June 28. We live for a month in Seoul. Obviously, we didn’t really bring the virus from other countries because the incubation period is shorter. And in South Korea, the situation has improved significantly: when we arrived, it infected ~ 100 people a day, now ~ 10 (and in South Korea, the population is over 50 million). South Korea is also destroying those little restrictions that have been here: the churches, for example, have already opened.

So, we are going to visit other places in South Korea: Busan, Jeju Island. Little by little, combining work with leisure.

– How do you think society will change in general during this crisis?

– Much depends on individual influencers and their decisions.

The coronavirus itself, as a disease, I think would not and would not have significantly affected society, except in some regions where the pandemic has hit hardest.

Research already shows that their mortality is 0.1% -0.36%, which is not exceptionally high (most cases go undetected). Sí, esta pandemia puede tener un efecto algo peor que una epidemia común de gripe, por otro lado, en comparación con muchas otras enfermedades como, por ejemplo, la malaria en África o la tuberculosis, donde es prevalente, el coronavir no hace tal daño. Sin mencionar el cáncer, las enfermedades cardíacas o incluso los accidentes automovilísticos.

Sin embargo, hay varios factores involucrados (aquí lo analizo con más detalle: Respuesta de los estados al coronavirus: ¿cómo es mejor?) ha llevado a un pánico en muchas partes del mundo, un pánico que el mundo no ha visto desde la Segunda Guerra Mundial, decisiones políticas mal consideradas. Muchos de ellos han sido adoptados no por, digamos, parlamentos, sino por políticos y funcionarios individuales, por lo que el comportamiento de los diferentes países es tan diferente. Si hubiera habido algún tipo de consenso entre los científicos o incluso los políticos, habría sido diferente cada mes u otro. Pero no había tiempo para la investigación, para una discusión más amplia.

Estas reacciones indudablemente causarán y causarán un gran trauma en la sociedad. Pero esas lesiones serán muy diferentes en diferentes países.

En muchas partes del mundo, la pandemia de coronavirus ha causado pánico, que el mundo no ha visto desde la Segunda Guerra Mundial, decisiones políticas imprudentes.

Serán lo mismo en India, donde en la memoria colectiva de la sociedad hay caminatas de cientos de kilómetros hasta su aldea en medio hambre, temiendo por sus vidas, casi como una experiencia de exilio o genocidio.

Otras lesiones en la provincia de Hubei, China, donde las personas, incluso involuntariamente “fuera de lugar en el momento equivocado”, cierran sus hogares por mucho tiempo sin derecho a irse (incluso llevándoles comida). Algunos están encerrados con parientes poco conocidos en pequeños apartamentos, sin la posibilidad de “escapar” de los conflictos inevitables o incluso de la violencia.

Hay otros traumas en Lituania, donde la situación es un poco más libre, pero el comercio y los servicios han estado cerrados por mucho tiempo, las empresas están colapsando, las personas están perdiendo sus empleos e ingresos, y hay una gran crisis económica. Además, muchas personas han tenido que comprometerse por primera vez en sus vidas sin cosas a las que están acostumbradas como regalos (como sin peluquería), y esto también será traumático a su manera.

Bueno, y habrá lesiones mucho más leves en Corea del Sur, donde el coronavirus puede ser recordado solo como una “crisis ordinaria”, de la cual hubo muchas. Y ha habido más epidemias en Corea del Sur, p. MERS y las máscaras se usan allí y, por lo demás, son bastante comunes, y las computadoras y los teléfonos inteligentes se usan más ampliamente que en nuestro país.

Nuo traumų lygio priklausys ir pasekmės. Pietų Korėjoje, manau, jų nebus daug, o tose šalyse, kur taikytos griežčiausios priemonės, visuomenės traumos bus didžiulės, pandemija įstrigs į žmonių atmintį kaip koks karas.

Tačiau kaip tiksliai tos traumos paveiks visuomenę, pasakyti sunku, nes tai priklauso ir nuo tolimesnių, dar nepriimtų sprendimų – kada bus panaikinti ribojimai, ar jie bus panaikinti visiškai.

Tose šalyse, kur taikytos griežčiausios priemonės, visuomenės traumos bus didžiulės, pandemija įstrigs į žmonių atmintį kaip koks karas.

Na, jeigu, tarkime, išliktų ribojimai kirsti sienas, arba privalomi karantinai tai padarius, natūraliai į tas šalis ar iš tų šalių išnyktų turizmas, išskyrus nebent ilgalaikį – tai būtų rimtas visuomenės pokytis.

Kita vertus, jei apribojimai būtų greitai panaikinti (ar daugmaž panaikinti), pati visuomenė, manau, didele dalimi grįžtų į buvusią padėtį, kaip ir grįžta po visų karų ar katastrofų. Galėtų būti taip paprastai nepastebimi giluminiai pokyčiai: pvz. dabar daugiau kas išbandė, tarkime, užsakyti prekes internetu, ir galbūt kai kuriems šitai patiks, jie ir toliau jas taip užsisakinės. O gal bus ir atvirkščiai – kiti žmonės po „prievartinio užsidarymo“ dar labiau norės gyvo bendravimo, gyvų pramogų, nei seniau, bent jau kurį laiką.

Pasekmės skirtingose šalyse gali labai skirtis.

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