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Vytautas Bakas, a member of the Seimas Defense and National Security Committee, and Saulius Gagas, Head of the Vilnius County Police Commissariat, visited the current talk show “Daily Section” of the tv3.lt news portal. The main topic of discussion is who is behind the organization of the riots in the Seimas and who will be responsible for the protests of the protesters.
Demonstrations clashes with the police near the Seimas:
Participants in the riots are also convicted in the past, unemployed
“Out of 26 people, 10 people had convictions, people had been convicted. Other people had faced the application of the law within the limits of the Code of Administrative Offenses, they had violated the Code of Administrative Offenses,” Vilnius County said . police officer.
According to S. Gago, 13 of the 26 detainees are unemployed and registered with the Employment Service.
“Perhaps this somehow makes it possible to form a certain image of those who have been detained,” Gag said.
On Thursday, four suspects were arrested for a month, the fifth for ten days. They are accused of causing riots and resisting officials through them.
The three suspects will receive intensive care, they will have to use hatching, follow the agenda. For the remaining two, the prosecution may remain in preventive detention.
Famous criminals also rioted near the Seimas: one of the main ones, with Hitler’s tattoo:
Detention plans and more
“We have an investigation plan, we appeal to the public for information, video for the police during this pre-trial investigation under Article 283 of the Penal Code, ‘Riots.’
<...> I want to say that we have received a lot of information, more than 250 messages with videos and photos. People are very active and provide that information. We analyze the information we have and I can tell you that [daugiau sulaikymų].
This is not an exhaustive list of the 26, there will be more people who broke the law, expressed their position in one way or another, whether they provoked, threw stones or participated in riots in other actions, “Gag said about the course. Of the investigation.
“It is only a matter of time before. I want to assure you that responsibility will not escape and that list will be expanded,” added the police representative.
The protesters raised logical questions
Mr. Bak was one of those politicians who came out to speak to the people gathered in protest. According to the politician, the protesters with whom he had the opportunity to talk raised logical questions.
“I had to go out and talk to people for a couple of hours. I bypassed practically the entire perimeter of the rally. <...> I want to emphasize that most people have asked very logical questions that, I think, would cause any of us to protest.
For example, fear of losing a job due to pressure to get vaccinated. Or people are afraid of losing medical services, hospitals and polyclinics will close. It was about public transport “, V. Bakas recalled conversations with the rallies.
However, the Seimas member admitted that he himself had experienced aggression from some people who had been in parliament.
“They cursed me, they said ‘thief’, a flagpole flew over my head. But they were a minority and they have no future in Lithuania, “said the politician.
According to him, the staff of the Management Protection Department warned the parliamentarians and recommended not to attend the rally participants.
“As a politician, it is important for me to feel the mood of society and I do not regret leaving,” Bakas said.
Tank: not all protesters can be marginalized
According to a member of the Seimas, the 5 thousand. The people who attended Tuesday’s rally cannot be marginalized. According to Bak, the dozens of people who devastated state symbols, used violence against officials have long been known.
“They are people who discredit the peaceful gatherings of people, they do harm, they harm officials, but they discredit civic initiatives themselves. In fact, in a democratic country it is normal for people to disagree with the government’s decisions, they go to rallies.
Those bandits who treated the stones that way discredit that expression of citizenship, they have to be tried, they have to investigate the crimes. But I do not agree with the generalizations that some of my colleagues presented the next day to realize that all the protesters are criminals. This is not the case and it is not true, “said V. Bakas.
“I would not like to put labels that all are criminals,” added the member of Seimas.
Police separate the rally from the riots – these are two separate events
According to Gag, the police divided Tuesday’s events into two parts. First, a rally that took place during the day, for which permission was granted until 5 in the afternoon.
“They have freedom of expression, the constitutional right to express their thoughts and things like that. The police did not have any special information before the event, the organizer of the event did not hold that rally for the first time, no one indicated about it,” said S Gagas.
However, he admitted that the rally participants during the day did not observe the distance established according to the Assemblies Law: 75 meters.
“The organizer of the event was warned that those gathered must respect these distances,” said the interlocutor.
The second “event”, as the police representative calls it, when the assembled people began to block the exits of the Seimas, according to S. Gago, is not related to the first event.
“It just came to our attention then. Once this was evaluated, the police began to organize the maintenance of public order. There is a lot of discussion fast, not fast, sooner or later it had to be done.
The police have their own tactics, the police have their own means, the police have resolved the situation with their own means, together with other officials from the internal affairs system, ”said S. Gagas.
“I believe that we act responsibly, we speak, we warn the audience that they do not have permission, that they break order, block streets, entrances, exits.
They spoke to the audience, not to listen to us. He was warned about the use of force, but was not listened to.
We had to use the means that the law gives to police officers. There was no other way and that was how the situation was resolved ”, explained the police representative.
Speaking of the crimes committed during the rally during the day, S. Gag emphasizes that they were committed under the Administrative Code, and what happened late at night under the Penal Code.
V. Bakas said that it was similar to the fact that even before the demonstration itself, as well as during it, there were people who were planning riots at night.
Warned who would add even more kerosene to the fire
Bakas also spoke on the show about the looming tensions, which could also encourage people to take to the streets.
„[Sprendimai]which can add more kerosene to the fire. I am referring to the decriminalization of drugs, to decisions on family regulation, I am referring to the availability of alcohol. These things can also contribute to emotions triggered by pandemic fatigue, the migration crisis, and vaccination processes.
It is time that after this rally, especially for the ruling majority, which has the power of decision, to have a little more empathy, sensitivity and analyze the impact of their decisions on society ”, said the member of Seimas.
September 10 Another demonstration should be organized in Vilnius, whose organizers are against the decisions of the current ruling majority. According to V. Bakas, this will be another expression of tension in society.
“We see that there are tensions in society and only the blind cannot see them. This is happening all over Europe, not just in Lithuania. <...> In Lithuania, the philosophy and strategy of managing the pandemic itself, which is the epicenter of all these tensions, is based on more intimidation, instructions from above. In my opinion, we must move to a strategy of cooperation and persuasion, ”said V. Bakas.
According to him, the government needs to handle the pandemic without raising ultimatums to the citizens, because otherwise the discontent of the population will turn into forms of this type of protests.
“Which, as we can see, is being used very successfully by some members of the destructive opposition, politicians and forces associated with our neighbors,” Bakas explained.
You can see all the discussion of V. Bako and S. Gago in the “Section of the day” of the video, which you will find at the beginning of the text.
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