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– To the criticism of the conservatives for the lack of funds for the increase in medical salaries, they have responded that they have Alzheimer’s. Are you sure of the diagnosis?
– Maybe I asked him, in fact, he’s right. (Laughs) Perhaps it is wrong to throw up those diagnoses or names of diseases. I agree, sometimes some words need to be kept for you, but of course sometimes it takes and settles. And if we talk about the context, the current government finds nothing and forgets the announced plans for the management of the pandemic.
– What is she doing differently than you would in a pandemic?
– Nothing. He is simply distracting at every turn and does not explain the reasons for his distraction to the public. Almost every day, you hear promises that don’t come true or decisions that, to put it mildly, are beyond logic, such as the Passport to Immunity or Opportunity. It is said that until the age of 16 it will be possible to go to the bar without that passport, but to school; no, you will have to do the test. If it is already relevant to test, then the same logic should be in the bar, school, and concert. And if it is not the same, the question arises of how and with the advice of which consultants such strange decisions are made. People are starting to get caught up in what, how and why. While there was a promise to consult the public and communicate much more clearly, the opposite is true. The conservatives promised to bring another culture; They really brought another culture, but I don’t know if it’s very good.
– According to the Prime Minister, there will be a decision, there will be an explanation.
– God, if it was. I see another strange trend: Ingrida Šimonytė travels the regions, talking to people about vaccines, and the Minister of Health does not seem to exist. You just add additional vice ministers to the team, and if you speak, your explanations are usually abstract: it will be better, brighter, further, faster. Whoever does not agree with the saying “let’s try”, everyone is trying, but explanations are lacking. You know, you didn’t do it yourself “… Maybe we didn’t, but now we can’t, because she’s the prime minister.
– In general, do you notice any continuity of actions, programs, goals in the activities of the Government? Is inheritance in Lithuania a sad thing at all?
– It is too short a time for this Government to begin to assess, even if it is a couple of practical things in the health field, and perhaps even all three. Where management is fundamentally changing, you could already tell. One of those areas that will undoubtedly return to the public sphere soon is drug reimbursement: an attempt is made to return to a regimen that was not favorable to patients but to drug manufacturers that allowed them to accumulate profits. Another area in which it is turning in the opposite direction is investing. When I started as Minister of Health, SAM was almost last among ministries in terms of use of EU funds. A large amount of money was not planned, a large part was not used. And there was a risk that that money would be redistributed to other areas, to the roads, to someone else when money for health was lacking, etc. Our Government has been very careful to ensure that progress is made so that the funds are used to buy the necessary technology (for which I still have to suffer, for the purchase of equipment for cancer patients I still have to press in the courts). The pandemic has shown that we lack the infrastructure to treat infectious diseases. A group of infectious diseases was planned, and what the new government did was push it until 2026, in the middle of the future government. Considering that adjustments and competitions take time, and the results of competitions in Lithuania are often appealed, infectious hospitals, at best, we can look forward to 2030 …
– You probably have to suffer for the opinion “Political correctness will kill us”. Doesn’t it surprise you that today you have to explain what marriage, family, birth, sex, and also have a hostile reaction?
– People do not understand that in politics you can never do everything at once. Policy gradually moves towards a larger goal, step by step. Maybe we have only made enough progress in one place; I am referring to alcohol control measures, which we have adopted quite a bit, but here is an exception. The fact that, after expressing your opinion on the Istanbul Convention and same-sex marriages, you are receiving hostile reactions, shows that the first steps have already been taken in Lithuania. Of course, you most likely do not need an explanation, most people have a sense and understanding of things as natural as a woman who does not need to explain what to do when a child is born – the maternal instinct works immediately. But there is a group of people who just want to change the world with a good stay. And the world is moving a lot in that direction. I have nothing against any of the homosexuals before, they can basically do whatever they want with themselves, just of course not at my expense. If they want to live or sleep together, that’s their problem, but when it comes to the basics, when the Constitution is attacked, when it comes to the adoption of children or when it comes to surrogacy, one of the forms of trafficking people. it does not mean that you should silence your opinions on these matters. Even more so when they relate to the structure of our state and its future. After all, I have never hidden my religious views, I hope so, I believe that the principle of democracy is that I can have views and express them without offending others. But this is only one of the aspects of which I am accused. And in the past there were a lot of them: because of the alcohol policy, because of the drugs. Attempts have been made to portray me in other contexts as a hard-hitting policyholder who knows nothing more to insure, even though those measures are science-based.
– There are so many professional psychiatrists and psychologists in Lithuania, why do they often hide truths based on science, that, let’s say, it is impossible to change gender?
– And who asks them? Nobody asks. Where to tell them that? It does not go up in the street in a bag. They are cultured people and may eventually have different opinions as well. But gender reassignment is not just a medical problem. And where are those of our people who know the ethical aspects of this matter, where are our philosophers who explain the meanings of everything. After all, attempts to change gender are not just an area of surgery or hormone therapy, they are associated with much deeper spiritual and ethical experiences. But those people who begin to tell the truth are often confused with the lands. Whoever wants to be released as a homophobic, fascist or breakman, nobody wants to. And nature does not like a vacuum. If there is a problem in society that is very important to people, and if it is not mentioned by educated people who are able to argue culturally, its place is taken by those who do not know how to do it, simple, sometimes rude, perhaps even wanting appear, express themselves, etc.
– Political correctness, which has become a regime in the West, he says, will kill us. Why?
– If the people who have their opinion and can express it in a non-destructive way do not do it, there will be radical people in society who will use the situation in the most destructive way. We can see such a marked polarization of society when we again see some riots or some outbreaks of violence. Nobody would like to see that, but I overlook what can happen, because speakers who have a different opinion are often silent and are replaced by very radical people. Another scenario that can happen if society does not force politicians to take their views into account is rooted in human history, where a sense of prosperity, when it seems to people: just to live and rejoice, begins to falter, destroys the foundations of civilization, and society resists the collapse of the state. If people no longer want to form a family, they no longer want to have children, thinking that it is no longer modern, it is no longer fashionable, their states will no longer exist. Lithuania will not stay anyway, we are a nation in danger of extinction, the birth rate is negative, but if the will of politicians makes decisions that promote these processes, we will disappear faster.
– Who knows, maybe this is the “new generation of Lithuania” that is forming in the mind of Aušrinė Armonaitė.
– I’d like to believe there won’t be. However, it is not necessary to overestimate both Armonaitė and all those people who do politics in the bar. It is not necessary to overestimate the fact that young people voted for the Freedom Party. It does not condemn or amaze me: until we are young, we all believe that we will live forever, that the sea is knee-deep, that parents do not understand anything. But society is not just the young, the votes of the elderly cast by other parties are a precondition for that balance. It should emerge and the laws of democracy should work.
– Ask the psychiatrist: how to develop immunity to political correctness?
– In this case, it is not necessary to look for a link with psychiatry, since psychiatry is still related to the disease. It cannot be said that the whole of society is sick and needs the advice of a psychiatrist. But for the sake of political correctness, I’ll put it simply: very often people are afraid of irrational things (I don’t mean phobias when you say “don’t be afraid”), people don’t really care. I am very interested in listening, but I do not agree, nor is it an argument for me, everyone has to listen as a politician, and why do I have to please liberals or as a politician or as a person, why I cannot express my opinion culturally, without naming opponents as breakers or fascists, etc. People must understand that the good for all will not always be there. You would hear the answer “and I think similarly”. One should not be afraid to have their opinion, only one should not insult, because such a way can and usually leads to an endless war of “blood revenge”, who will be more offended, who will say more terribly and then the dispute will slide into physical action.
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