Vytautas Landsbergis praised Macron’s initiative on Russia: heads of state should not go down to this level



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“First we must agree on what we call dialogue. A dialogue can be a concert of wishes in which there is no wish on both sides. One side begs and the other looks from above. It is funny, like a journalist asking for an interview.

At this level, if we speak of dialogue, then the dialogue of states is expressed in the dialogue of heads of state, other high officials (foreign ministers). We do not know if Putin and his ruling group want dialogue. Maybe sometimes they just want a supposed dialogue. Or he doesn’t want anything at all, he just wants someone else to love him and humbly asks: “Leave me a dialogue,” said V. Landsbergis on the “News of the day” program on “Knowledge Radio”.

According to the politician, in this case they will be happy to have reached the dialogue as a fact, that something is being talked about in general.

“It is often said that it is better not to talk about anything, but still to speak than not to speak. However, this direction of assessment can also be questioned, because talking about speaking very easily becomes deception, when at the same time they are not words but actions (weapons, etc.) which are spoken at the same time. Putin is proud to say “they speak and I act.” So speaking is just a cover to truly speak in action, “said V. Landsbergis.

According to the politician, the next question is what the dialogue will be about.

“Is there something to talk seriously about with Russia on almost vital European issues, first of all, security and survival? For example, about the stability of the map of Europe or its redesign by force? After all, we have seen it. happen. More recently, in a period of ten years, there have been Sakartwell, Ukraine, Armenia, for a long time, and now the redesigns with the force of the map continue again, “said V. Landsbergis.

Responding to Macron’s expectation that the dialogue with Russia would be naive, Landsberg explained that the dialogue was naive if the naive side was happy to be spoken to.

“He puts himself in a humiliating situation. This is not a real dialogue, because there are subjects of dialogue. If someone imagines that they are the owner of the situation and the other is just a stakeholder requesting an interview, it is quite different from the two stakeholders who want the result, and not only for themselves because of the video, but about the more important topics when possible. move someone in the direction of progress.

So there shouldn’t be a situation where one is superior and the other is like a subordinate who is allowed to ask something, as in Putin’s great dialogues with the people, where questions are agreed in advance and allowed to ask. . The leaders of other countries should not go down to that level, “said the politician.

According to V. Landsbergis, it is natural that the themes are compatible, but then they are a matter of mutual interest, not the dialogue itself as form.

“There are still ways that dialogue becomes a monologue, when there is a supposed dialogue, but in reality one only says what he wants to say and the other side doesn’t even listen,” Landsberg said.

He wanted to explain his initiative.

Delfi recalls that the President of France, E. Macron, who came to Lithuania, said that he wanted to explain why his country had taken the Russian initiative and expressed his support for the people of Belarus to find a political solution.

“I have explained to the honorable president why France has taken the Russian initiative.

We want to have a transparent and naive dialogue with Russia. (…) I wanted them to be informed at each stage about how the work is progressing and what could be achieved, ”Macron said during a joint press conference with President Gitan Nauseda.

The French president spoke of the resumption of the dialogue: “if we want peace to be lasting in Europe for a long time, we must work with Russia.”

“We cannot live as if Europe is far from Russia. That is why we must work strategically. For this reason, it is necessary to strive to create a security architecture, renewed cooperation, renewed trust, that allows to avoid tensions, allows to combat cyberattacks, with disinformation and destabilization, ”said E. Macronas.

He assured that the French were not naive about it, but, on the contrary, demanding. At the same time, the French leader sought to empathize with the Lithuanian experience.

“I know that the past is also very important. I say this with great respect. I know that this country has suffered very painful wounds. Here the 20th century was not the same as ours. You felt left to the will of fate. After the Second War World Cup, that time was very long for you.

I know what it means to you to talk about strategic dialogue with Russia. That is why I am telling you this very openly, the dialogue that we are building, that we are doing with great respect with our European partners, and all of this is very transparent. I believe that we can create a 21st century in which many conflicts in our neighborhood will be resolved. I think the situation can be constantly improved, “said E. Macron.

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