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S181
Both have advantages in my opinion:
Computational photography has come so far that the phone achieves exact precision in a second or so, and there is little to no hassle on our part. But the uncompressed data that RAW has can be very useful for photocentric minds. All in all, both are fit for their own league.
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- Anonymous
- Njd
So it’s useless
OR39975
It is no different from raw AI on Android units. But I’m trying to make another old thing, the new apple.
A
The best of the best plus one!
If you are shooting RAW on an iPhone with the Lightroom or Halide apps, you should enable ProRAW immediately and never look back
Apple is not for everyone
Android and Windows are for the poor, Apple for the rest
re617173
Nick Tagataka, 1 hour agoI really hope that for the “raw” DNG samples in this article, you guys have used the desktop … moreYes. I’ve seen a few comparisons on YT and it appears that Apple is actually applying too much noise reduction / excess sharpening depending on the light conditions, with night mode being the worst offender.
But since it’s computational photography (and not something physical like the sensor), it can actually improve over time. They just need to adjust their algorithms.
WITH58798
To me that looks like a raw enchantment + gamut, eventually HLG to REC2020.
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Firewarrior96, 2 hours agolol It’s been years since Raw + Jpeg filming exists on LG phones, but you don’t care … moreProRaw is RAW with some processing.
It has nothing to do with the ability to do jpeg + raw simultaneously.
Iphone can’t do it.
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If I only see or understand the difference then I don’t give a damn
north2647885
Firewarrior96, 2 hours agolol It’s been years since Raw + Jpeg filming exists on LG phones, but you don’t care … moreBecause what Apple is doing here is NOT the same as what LG has been doing? You may want to dig into the article before complaining.
north2647885
I really hope that for the “raw” DNG samples in this article, you guys used the Lightroom desktop / mobile app to convert the raw file to JPEG instead of the default Photos app on iOS. As far as I know, the latter cooks the ProRAW image pretty badly and applies a lot of saturation, sharpening, and noise reduction by default, which would alter the results drastically.
Anyway, those samples … they don’t look that good, honestly. Apple seems to be applying a lot of luminance and chroma noise reduction as well as sharpening on those 12-bit DNG files (I confirmed this in my own testing as well), which is definitely NOT what I would like to see in RAW. Heck, I wouldn’t even call them RAW because it comes rendered and rendered by default. Although HDR + RAW in GCam is also something that is classified as “Computational RAW” just like ProRAW, the difference between those two is literally day and night and of course I prefer to exit GCam any day of my life.
I guess Apple wanted to make RAW editing more friendly for the average consumer, which is indicated by the fact that they didn’t include a manual mode in the camera app, as well as ProRAW files are pre-edited and practically ready to export. from the stock gallery app. I understand that Apple’s philosophy is to design hardware and software features in a way that even non-technical people can use them extensively, but I really don’t see what is really so “Pro” about this newly added feature. If anything, any Android phone with a sensor smaller than 1 inch and GCam installed will be more suitable for casual photographers than the iPhone 12 Pro series, at least from a pure image quality standpoint.
F119106
lol it’s been years since Raw + Jpeg filming exists on LG phones, but you don’t care.
Apple put the same thing and called it “ProRaw”. Lots of websites write articles about it.
Seriously, it’s not just Apple who influences consumers on this, it’s you reporters who mislead readers and people’s buying decisions.
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- Anonymous
- p37
Just get a real camera for that purpose …
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- Anonymous
- JT5
Anonymous, 2 hours ago“That’s not what I do, I use my phone to capture the world as I see it, with a touch … moreApple and Samsung have the worst WB among all phones.
Strangely, both are still praised by the media.
I think it is the fear of losing readers and viewers.
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- Anonymous
- JT5
Anonymous, 2 hours agoI see that Apple dng files still suffer from watercolor noise reduction. That’s a … moreRAW on iPhone is not real RAW, it is still over-processed.
Which is why it is poor compared to RAW from other phones.
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- Anonymous
- pQr
“That’s not what I do; I use my phone to capture the world as I see it, with a hint of enhancement.”
Phones often don’t realistically capture the world. For this reason, it is often necessary to adjust the white balance and edit the raw file to obtain the most accurate results. IPhones also often make gray colors appear beige.
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- Anonymous
- pQr
I see that Apple dng files still suffer from watercolor noise reduction. That’s a big problem. In my opinion, removing the watercolor noise reduction would be the most important thing in a raw file besides adjusting the white balance. As far as I know, Google’s Pixel phones do not suffer from watercolor noise reduction in HDR + dng files.
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- Anonymous
- pQr
“But I have found that shooting RAW on a phone does not produce better results than the phone’s excellent computational photography.”
That is not necessarily correct.
One problem is that most photographers just don’t know how to take the best photos.
One needs to expose for the highlights and lighten the shadows afterwards. In this way, of course, it is possible to get less dull reflections.
Also, you need to choose the highest Iso without blowing the highlights. Many photographers think that a high Iso at the same exposure time and f-number leads to noisier images, but it is quite the opposite, a very common misunderstanding. A high gain leads to less noisy raw data.
Also, off-camera JPEG files often don’t have the correct white balance. Later adjustment of the white balance leads to more accurate colors.
The noise reduction is also too aggressive in jpgs off camera.
