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When the arguments are over, they often do so with two parties simply unable to find anything in common, let alone reach some kind of agreement or understanding.
History is riddled with such disputes, which persist for years, decades, sometimes even centuries.
Creationism vs. Evolution is one. Sweet or salty popcorn (dampening a touch) is another.
Soccer, especially in this era of social networks, has a lot. Is Lionel Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo the best player in the world? Is Pep Guardiola a genius or a fraud?
Of course, there is also if you are 28 or 29 years old?
But this week has brought us something new, focused on Carlos Tevez and his departure from Manchester United.
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The Argentine, who came to English football in West Ham in 2006, stationed through third parties before being transferred to Old Trafford the following year, shone during his first season in red, helping to dismiss Sir Alex Ferguson from the 2007-08 Premier League and Champions League title. in Moscow.
But his second campaign was widely considered less successful in the past 11 years.
United chose not to take the option to sign it permanently and Tevez eventually moved around town to join Manchester City, ‘Welcome to Manchester’ and all of that.
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This week Gary Neville stated: “What bothered me about Tevez was that he dropped the tools in his second season.
“I was disappointed because, as a professional, he did not act the right way.”
That “fallen tools” comment brought a response from Kia Joorabchian, Tevez’s old man. As expected, he defended his client, rejecting any suggestion that his conduct was not up to par.
On Friday, Sky Sports News He brought the two together for a face-to-face takedown (sort of).
Joorabchian went first with his statements, before Neville issued his answer.
Here, in their entirety, are the two sides of the story …
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Kia Joorabchian Opening Statement
“I’m here because I feel like Gary said something a couple of days ago and I think he was absolutely wrong.
“I often let things go, but I think when you chase someone and make a lot of wrong and wrong statements, I think letting it go will not benefit the public from hearing false information.
“Gary mentioned about Carlos [Tevez] tools and his professionalism, and he also mentioned that there were problems in his second year, about people talking in his ear, his people talking in his ear.
“Usually, I have three comments and three questions for Gary.
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“In terms of the people he says were talking to him, I’d like to know who he thinks was talking and what they were saying to him.
“Because unless he is hacking or recording them, it is impossible for him to know what they are apparently saying in his ear and I would like to know who those people are.”
“Also, I must apologize. I gave an incorrect statistic during my previous interview, I said that Gary played four times that year, actually he played once during Carlos’s first year because unfortunately Gary was injured, and he played 10 minutes against Roma.”
“When Gary made a comparison between year one and year two, Gary couldn’t have known too much about year one, because he played 10 minutes that year. He was mostly on the treatment table, and that’s the year he really said good things about Carlos.
“And finally, I think Sir Alex Ferguson was one of the best managers of my time and regardless of which side of the dryer you were on, you had nothing but respect for man.
“The only thing I think I learned in my time about Sir Alex was that he had his finger on the pulse the whole time. He was a strong coach, he knew what his players were doing on the training field, outside the training field, at home, on a weekday, and when Gary made those second year comments, he somehow wonders if Sir Alex her finger was on her pulse.
“Because Sir Alex chose Carlos 51 times during that season, from 2008-09. He picked up [Wayne] Rooney, 49 times, [Dimitar] Berbatov 44 times and Gary himself only played 29 that season.
“In those moments, Carlos played 51 games, selected by Sir Alex, 15 goals, seven assists. Berbatov 14 goals, 11 assists, Rooney, 20 goals, 13 assists.
“Sir Alex wouldn’t have picked someone 51 times during that season, as Gary well knows, if they weren’t tools, unless Gary thinks Sir Alex took his eye off the ball.”
Gary Neville’s response
“I will answer the three questions one by one, Kia.
“In terms of the first, the period after Christmas when it was pretty obvious that Manchester United was not going to exercise the option, there is no doubt that Carlos in the last months of the season became disinterested, distracted; he was not the same in training camp, he got in a bad mood because he was disappointed that the club did not sign him.
“You will know that Carlos was definitely not the same player in the last four or five months of the season. I don’t know what statistics you mean there, what I did yesterday was look at Carlos’ Premier League and Champions League statistics during those two seasons and refers to the third question.
“Two days ago I said Carlos was in the top three best I have seen in the Premier League.
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“These are the statistics in the 2007-08 and 2008-09 Premier League: in the first six months Carlos played 18 times, 18 starts and seven goals, in the second six months he had 13 starts and seven goals.
“But if you look at the last year, he only played 18 times, the same as the first six months in its entirety, and he only had five goals in his second year in the Premier League.”
“So Carlos’s performance in the second year dropped and the same in the Champions League, where he scored far fewer goals.”
“So my opinion is that there were definitely other complications Carlos had in terms of the club not activating his option, you admitted it, and I saw Carlos in the last five months at the club. I don’t need to do my research, I was looking at boy.
“And what happens with Carlos is that Carlos was a warrior on the soccer field. He was a huge player. In his first 12 months at Manchester United, he had never seen anything brighter than him with Wayne Rooney and Cristiano Ronaldo.
“However, in the past four months the drop in his behavior and his performances, just because maybe the club was not taking it, was alarming.
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“When I refer to the people in his ear, it was true that Carlos was owned by a third party, at that time it was legal, there was no problem with that.
“But I think Manchester City paid £ 50 million to their owners, while Manchester United was supposed to pay £ 25 million, I think for their choice, and I felt there was a lot of distraction, so much noise about how much third-party owners were going to make .
“These were things that were in Carlos’s ear all the time, the club was not exercising his option, he was not selected so much in the team, those appearances that you name, many of them were substitute appearances, so he was definitely a person different in the last five months at the club.
“What I would say is that the ‘dropped tools’ might be a little rude. But Carlos was distracted, he was different and he certainly wasn’t close to the level in the last four months at the club, you have to accept that.”
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In summary …
Ultimately, on the ‘downed tools’ comment, there was some help, but neither is backing down.
Both remain consistent in their assessments of the situation, their accounts of Tevez’s Old Trafford spell, and are not meant to change.
And both are likely to be right about what they perceived at the time and what they remember of the situation: They are only achieving it from different points of view. Ten years from now, don’t expect any to have changed.
There is scope for different and more centralized interpretations from those abroad, something that history has shown is often the case in such debates.
But wherever you are and whatever your opinion, you can’t deny that it was a great television.
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