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Mayor Luigi de Magistris said he does not have the data on the infection in Naples, attributing it to De Luca. Explain this story to us, because the claim is serious.
That’s right, do you know what is serious? That seven months after the start of the pandemic, we do not have accurate data. Let me explain: every day we have the total number of infected, deceased, cured, those who are in intensive care. But now, those prepared would be needed, district by district, by area, by markets, to implement targeted territorial actions and carry out control and prevention actions, since the ASLs cannot maintain direct contacts.
And this task, according to you, would correspond to the Crisis Unit of the region.
And here is a second question of equal gravity: although I have repeatedly asked to be in the crisis unit, the figure of the mayor of Naples and the metropolitan city is not part of it.
Are you saying that De Luca excluded you for political reasons, do I understand well the meaning of your accusation?
I guess so, I’m just saying it’s serious. I remember that there is also a normative fact, since the mayor is responsible for the health of his fellow citizens. It is a serious exclusion from the institutional point of view and myopic from the political point of view, because it could bring to the table requests from below and help to make convincing acts that come from above.
In other words, there is a conflict, a non-collaboration between the governor and the mayor, in the middle of a health emergency. Municipality and region do not communicate.
I will tell you an episode: in the early days of the pandemic, I called a table with doctors, industry operators, virologists. The ASL director did not come. And do you know why? Because they had ordered him not to participate. What De Luca does not understand is that if we have any hope of saving ourselves, it is of ruling together.
Let’s go back to the Crisis Unit numbers. Do you have confidence in the structure, in its operation and, I add, in its transparency?
The numbers are given, which appear to be many. Cold, not analyzed. Once I put young workers who were very good at analyzing them, with cross-data, and it was I who reported to the Crisis Unit the people who were handed over, at the same time, for deceased, in intensive care and in home isolation.
Mayor, what you say is at the same time very demanding and alarming.
I am aware of that. And I say the situation is out of control, out of control. It would be understandable in February, at first, when everyone was a little off guard, now it is out of the question. Today the rule is that a self-government of the pandemic is being created: the infected person warns him and says “be careful”, and if he is aware he stays at home. And I do not blame the officials, I speak of political responsibility.
Wait, let’s get on with the numbers. Are lot numbers also given in intensive care?
Numbers that disturb. We started in February with 334 intensive care posts for all diseases for six and a half million people, now we are just over 500, when according to national parameters, three times more would be needed and we are in the midst of a pandemic. I add: with the public money that is not lacking, extraordinary powers in the region, we are the region that makes the least buffers.
I saw the piece of Clean slate? Hours of waiting for a tampon, queues at the ER, lack of separate paths between infected and not?
I was not surprised. They also sent me pictures of meetings of people who go to swabs that, if you don’t have Covid, you take it off.
Can you confirm that of the three Covid hospitals only the one in Naples is functional, but not those in Caserta and Salerno? Because he knows that the official version is jarring.
I confirm it, by eyewitness accounts. Until last night like this, unless they opened for the night. Do you remember the media hype of Ponticelli? The truth is that a political campaign of consensus has been built on the fact that De Luca seemed the savior of the country. And this outraged. He built a consensus on fear and Covid and now that the truth comes out instead of giving the data, he is a sheriff again.
Today De Luca said: “With a thousand infections, it will be confinement.” Are you in favor of a confinement?
He begins to confess. If we get to that, it’s proof that the entire political magic narrative is evaporating. The confinement is as if Pulcinella took off the mask of power and forced him to tell the truth.
He didn’t answer me.
You cannot agree. At least it can be said that it is necessary if the alternative is to count the dead. But right now this ad is wrong. The correct one would have been to say “to avoid a new blockade we have deployed this, this and this other”. Instead, to save himself, he locks us in the house and it will be an economic disaster.
Okay, De Luca has his responsibilities. But what do you do as mayor? A mayor remains the health administrator in his municipal territory. For example, do ordinances enforce them? It doesn’t seem like it to the eyes.
That depends on the police. And the controls are there, I see them spinning, you cannot militarize more than that. We, for example, have taken concrete initiatives on nightlife. Closing at 11pm is useless, because people meet earlier. We have made arrangements to make nightlife areas and night hours pedestrianized, but people who want to be together will have to move around the different places in the city. I would recommend it to everyone if they got me involved.
Yes, beyond the nightlife, it seems to me that Naples is the heart of the problem. How do you monitor areas where sanitary conditions are structurally worse? The narrow streets of Sanità, the lowlands, the outskirts of Scampia? There is an urban fabric that lends itself to contagion.
People have been responsible until now. There is no such issue, not even in popular neighborhoods, the problem is that the house itself is a place of contagion. But people are responsible, they are doing well.
Look mayor. Once he went to the no vax event. With Covid, would you do it again?
As always, I am one of those who gives everyone a voice, I gave the opportunity to have a debate in a public place where I went to listen. To hear it I would do it again.
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