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It may be a bit naive, but the first thing that surprises me is that they revealed their identities many years ago, they do not hide, in fact they travel the world. Conferences have been held in countless countries on the liquidation of perhaps the most exciting manhunt in history, Pablo Escobar, a drug lord in Medellín. They are not afraid?
Steve Murphy: We have nothing to fear. THE Pablo Escobar In the 27 years since he was shot, no one has threatened us, for the simple reason that we have sent everyone to the afterlife or taken behind bars in Pablo’s organization. Believe it or not, it wasn’t obvious at the time, but it was. The last assassin to serve under Escobar became infamous as Popeye Jhon Jairo Velasquez He died of stomach cancer in February this year after being dragged into prison for a good twenty years.
WE REALLY DO NOT HAVE WHO OR WHAT TO STAY, WE LIVE THE SAME AS ALL RETIRED AMERICAN AMERICANS.
Javier Pena: The operation against Pablo Escobar and his organization is the first of its kind on a large scale. The experience, tactics, and strategies acquired here have been developed by the DEA, the United States Drug Agency, and the Colombian Police and Search Team. Search Block used by the liquidated army of Escobar’s successor organizations, the Cali Kartel, then Don Berna and also in the fight against drug networks in Mexico. I observe in parentheses that in Mexico it does not make much sense to hunt the head of the net because someone will immediately take the place of the person. Today these cartels are no longer like they were in Escobar’s time, so to speak, in the heroic time, when the gang depended on a single person. If he killed Pablo, the whole network would be over.
Steve Murphy : While Pablo was alive, of course, we weren’t safe, as he put a three hundred thousand dollar blood fee on our heads. Or we were in a military base similar to a fortress, and if we were inside Medellin then we don’t sleep in the same apartment twice in a row, we keep changing locations so that Escobar’s soldiers sicariók , these are the adolescent murderers who were shot in the slums of Medellín, the Commune 13 San JavierHe was recruited by the drug dealer.
In their book, they write that at the height of his power, Escobar was the seventh richest man in the world, according to a contemporary statement from Forbes, his fortune is estimated at $ 30 billion. Is this conceivable?
Steve Murphy : Him, but how much more. When those figures came to light, supposedly Pablo had a good laugh and said they had no idea how rich I was. After all, one of your business partners, Carlos Enrique Lehdernek His fortune was estimated at $ 14.6 billion. Lehder offered the government to pay all of Colombia’s external public debt if it allowed itself to run. And Escobar was much richer than Lehder. He, who is still alive anyway, and after being released from prison, was taken to Germany, where he is being treated for prostate cancer.
Javier Pena:
Pablo had so much money that at the time, he was spending $ 2,500 a month just on masonry tires to collect his bundles of dollars.
On one occasion, when he fled, and by then he had much less wealth than at the height of his power, he lit bills on the stove and warmed his hideout because he was cold in the Colombian Andes.
Photo: Ulpius’s Circle of Friends
Long live Colombia!
I am aware that none of them were present when, on November 2, 1993, the day after their 45th birthday, Escobar was shot to death during a rooftop raid In Los Olivos, this district of Medellín?
Javier Pena: They sent me to Miami and I had just arrived at the airport when they called me to shoot Escobar. I immediately boarded my first flight to Bogotá and flew back to Colombia. But by then Pablo had been dead for hours.
Steve Murphy: I was at our headquarters in Medellín when I noticed that Colonel Martinez, the head of the search party received a phone call. The base looked like a suddenly turbulent hive, with a task force leaving the area while Martínez remained in constant contact with the Colombian police brigade. I knew immediately that Pablo’s hiding place had been discovered. Then a little later, Martinez erupted in a triumphant roar: “Long live Colombia! “
By then, he already knew that Escobar was dead.
Photo: Medellín Police / AFP
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Decayed to the core
Legends circulate around the world that Escobar was actually a complex character, in addition to drug trafficking, murders, he loved his family, he also had good deeds, he helped the poor, he was a kind of Robin Hood. What do you think about this?
Steve Murphy: Escobar was not a complex character, but one hundred percent evil.
If I had to paint my portrait, I would use one color: soot black.
What can we say about a man who killed or was murdered by the thousands and who at one point was involved in 80 percent of the world’s drug trade? Anyone who discovers positive traits in Escobar’s character is not normal.
Javier Pena: A complex character? Come on! He was a psychopath. When the Cathedral where he marched of his own free will and where he escaped when he learned that they could be extradited to the United States, executed and burned his two opponents, then cut his charred penis from the corpses and sent it to their women. What kind of person is that?
The widow at work
Escobar’s wife, Victoria Eugenia, came to Budapest last year during a road show around the world and appeared on the radio, giving interviews and promoting her memoirs. What do you think of Mrs. Escobar – My life with Pablo?
Steve Murphy: I’m halfway now, full of lies The widow wants to polish the image of her ex-husband, trying to paint a portrait of a poor, family-loving folk hero, not a word of which is true. I don’t feel sorry for the late Pablo Escobar and his widow.
Javier Pena: The widow writes about how poor he was in 1992-93, when Pablo was forced to flee, and how poor he is today. Because the Cali Cartel made them impossible, you know, Los Pepes, rival gangs.
But not a word of that is true, Victoria was not poor then and she is not today. How could he afford servants, a cook, a driver?
In the book, he also admits that three apartment buildings have been left in his possession. Imagine how much money a person can get from the rents of three high-rise apartment buildings.
Steve Murphy: Victoria tries to excuse herself in the book by saying that Pablo took advantage of her. That she got pregnant at thirteen. I mean, Victoria was 13 years old. And at age 14 she had an abortion. It is possible, but then she gave birth to two children, lived for many years as a queen, enjoyed the life of a rich wife. Come on, I’m not sorry anymore!
Photo: Ulpius’s Circle of Friends
White collar workers in training
Well, Pablo Escobar has been dead for 27 years. But is it better now? Is the world less infected with drugs?
Javier Pena: Far from there. After all, Pablo was expelled with the help of his rival Cali Kartel, according to information received from Los Pepes. The Kali cartel, the Mexicans, El Chapo, azaz A Köpcös Not only did they fill the void created by Escobar’s death, the liquidation of the Medellín Cartel, but, if you can say so, they further developed the profession called cocaine cultivation and trafficking. me
z is also like politics. There is no vacuum, someone immediately pushes you into the void.
Where you can make a lot of money, there is always someone making a lot of money.
What’s more, Cali Kartel and the Mexicans learned a lot from Pablo. Through money laundering, they invest dirty money in legal shops, restaurants, real estate transactions: if they want, they become white-collar criminals. And they have developed a very close relationship with business circles in the United States.
They even attend communication trainings!
All of this was unthinkable in Escobar’s time.
Steve Murphy: The whole network works in much more sophisticated ways. Pablo was actually a pioneer in this dirty business. Escobar was a cruel and rude beast, his last offspring much finer, but for that they could be even more dangerous. And cocaine shipments arrive in the United States the same way they did thirty years ago. But let’s get back to Pablo before anyone can feel sorry for him. He was a sadistic and unscrupulous criminal. And don’t forget: you had 80 percent of the world’s drug trade in your hands!
How about 80 percent of the world’s population reads your newspaper online?
It would not be sad, but sadly that is unthinkable.
Steve Murphy: Well, imagine that Escobar controlled four fifths of the worldwide turnover in another business, even if it was not legal at all!
Steve, let me also recall a moving story from your book. It was then that he and his second wife, Connie, adopted two Colombian drops, Monica and Mandy. What happens to them?
Steve Murphy: Oh, they are 27 years old. And Mandy also has a three-year-old daughter, Monica is not married yet, but they are both fine. They gilded our lives because sadly, Connie and I couldn’t have had children.
The rest is fiction …
Let’s say a few words about the Netflix series Narcos, after all, here in Hungary, the audience knows the details of the persecution against Pablo Escobar. Did everything really happen as we saw it in the movie?
Javier Pena: Not quite. Many details have been changed for the sake of a more agile narration, dramaturgy. In fact, we participated in the filming as experts, but to begin with the most important detail: it is not true that we arrived in Colombia at the same time, since Steve had been there for four years when I landed in Medellín in early 1992. However, the series is exciting and quite authentic.
Would you come to Hungary to give an experience report?
Javier Pena: What is that! Just put an end to this terrible epidemic …
(Cover image: Pablo Escobar (center) in the moments after the body was shot on December 2, 1993. Photo: Medellín Police / AFP)
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